Can we do ranked choice primaries?
I haven’t heard bad stuff about Gavin Newsom. Did he turn corporate when I wasn’t paying attention?
I’m a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren’t going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don’t mourn. Organize!
The supervillains are still in charge thinking up ways to destroy anyone and anything opposing them to ensure the superiority of their greedoid ultraconservatism, while the supposedly “enlightened” people who are supposed to fight those bastards as a united front are instead fighting over recriminations, ideological rivalries, and supposed levels of moral purity.
Tim Waltz is your best bet here. White man, can peel off MAGA for change but still stay “pure”. We have to get past the deep south rooted haters that hate POC, women and anything not white/Christian.
Obama was the Trump of the Dem party. Now you gotta play balance, sadly.
walz/aoc would be a great ticket <3
But he got shrecked in an easilly winnable debate with JD “Popeslayer” Vance, who used the strategy “lie and they won’t call me on it”.
he didn’t lose the debate tho
Any Republican that is running will lie out of their teeth. That’s their playbook.
It isn’t about change.
Isn’t there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you’re all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.
WHY?
It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.
You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that’s how you know you’re reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.
Also, counter narratives are great because you don’t have to substantiate anything. ’ ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ’ - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I’ve been on the other side of that. It’s a brilliant rhetorical tactic.
You don’t even have to keep arguing, you can just post ‘sounds dumb’ or ‘bad argument’ or nothing at all and just leave!
Bots wouldn’t exist if posting comments on the internet didn’t do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.
Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.
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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao
Our local lemmy tankie brigade are strangely indifferent to the doings of Trump and his fascist oligarch regime, but they are positively obsessed with the Democrats, even as the Trump regime is doing its best to ensure that elections and thus the Democrats will not be a thing in the future.
They will also claim to care about genocides, but they are not only strangely indifferent to the genocide occurring against the Ukrainians, they will happily regurgitate the Putin talking points used as an excuse for it.
These people are not really “the left”, they are authoritarians. They do care about any left wing issues, they do not care about the rights of the exploited and the weak, and they do not fear fascism, they are just mad that it isn’t themselves who are sitting in power right now.
Dems are 0 and 2 when squaring off a Woman against a right wing ultranationalist.
so long as there are people like Trump on the other side, I dont think the Dems will ever run a woman again.
But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.
The American people aren’t stupid. They’re poorly educated and brainwashed by propaganda.
When a kid without developmental disabilities gets to 12th grade and still can’t read or write his own name, we don’t blame the kid for being stupid - or at least we shouldn’t - we blame the parents and teachers. The kid was failed by the people who had the responsibility to teach him.
Same with politics. Voters don’t have degrees in political science. They make the best decisions they can based on the information they have. Biden presided over the worst economy for the poor and middle class and the biggest wealth transfer to the ultra rich in my lifetime, Harris told voters “I’m not going to do anything different from Biden but Trump will destroy America so vote for me”, Trump told voters “I know you’re hurting, Biden and Harris failed you, and my policies will help you”, and voters made the best decision they knew how to make.
Which was a stupid fucking decision. Granted. But the lion’s share of the blame has to go to Biden, Harris, and their enablers. They were the experts. It was their job to keep America from making that stupid fucking decision. And they failed America.
No, we voted for Bernie. He won the primary and for some reason Hilary was the candidate. That was the beginning of the end. We didn’t vote for Harris to be our candidate either. THAT is how Trump wins. The majority did not want trump either time he ran for president, but the DNC made sure he won by putting in their least popular candidate. It’s a dog and pony show. Both sides are working for the same people.
“Before won the primary” is a different reality from the one we live in. Even if you remove the superdelegates and only look at the ones decided by popular vote, Hillary won that primary.
I wanted president Bernie Sanders and voted as such. But I actually live in THIS reality and don’t waste my energy whatabouting if an election had gone differently.
Is a difficult subject because on a personal level I’ve lost dear friends to insane propaganda, and I still haven’t forgiven myself for not being able to save them from it - and I’ll probably never forgive them for it either. They were supposed to be smart.
People think I’m smart but I fall for stuff too. In media, the existing weapons can be stronger than the defenses, and sometimes that’s all there is to it. Modern media makes the greatest aspirations of MK Ultra look like child’s play.
I’m still not convinced memes aren’t a great filter, unless great filter theory is just another shitty meme.
To sum up, people did vote objectively incorrectly. The Democratic party however is not guilt free. The whole system is built on violence, and that grim old tree won’t bear fruit unless you water it.
Yes, let’s get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they’ll do!
It’s truly the “progressive” way. That and never actually voting in a primary.
Hard to when Democrats don’t give them one to vote in
Yes, we’re losing and the world is descending into fascist ruin.
But at least I get to feel smugly superior!
This is not that different from the monsters on the other side who are destroying their economy and the standing of the country.
But at least they get to feel racist and abusive to brown people!
harm reduction is a thing that you can support.
it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.
it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.
You think Hitler stopped blaming jews even after they were all in camps?!??
If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we’re fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.
If we want to make it more likely for a progressive to win the nomination, taking grassroots action now can make a big difference.
Are you looking to get involved to make a difference in the two party system? Get more progressives in office? Enable progressives to be the future face of the Democrat Party in your state? Then the biggest thing I can recommend would be joining an organization such as the Equal Vote Coalition. Their goal is to get better voting systems in place across the country, moving away from First Past the Post which has locked us into our two party system. Alaska and Maine have already succeeded in moving away from First Past the Post voting.
If we take action now, we can potentially get the voting system changed locally or on the state level for many of us before the midterm elections. Then as we continue to make progress, by the time 2028 rolls around we could safely pick our preferred candidates first and have safe backup candidate options so our preferred candidate(s) have a much greater chance at winning.
Help start a ballot initiative in your state here.
Not a chance in Hell Gavin gets it
