Things didn’t end well for the last guy…
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Theater of security isn’t helpful anyway
Unfortunately it wouldn’t come to removal of said theater, it will leed to unpaid employees doing a bad job
I get it, but having people feel bad for the TSA of all organizations is a tall order. Why not pick a less controversial gov agency effected like say the National Parks and Museums?
Probably because parks and museums usually just close whenever this happens, so they’re not working without pay. They’re just on an indefinite suspension
And yet I can feel for them more, If the TSA was gone tomorrow I could not care.
The way it setup it will not mean the removal of the stupid safety theater, it will mean the closing of the airport.
I know, and that makes me even less inclined to have sympathy for the TSA as a whole. I know I should feel bad for the people working at the TSA, but I can’t.
But they’re going to get paid when the budget is approved again, right?
It’s a problem for who lives paycheck to paycheck, though
two memes in one post?
So is a South African buying his way into the U.S. presidency, but here we are.
Can’t build a wall tall enough for southafrica. Us Mex people know that.
You know, I’ve heard of a solution to the CEO problem recently thats making the news cycle…
At least half of them voted for that. 🤷
But TSA is a sham. Pure theater and makework.
Sure, but people still go there to try and make money for their livelyhood, sham or not they don’t deserve to be unpaid.
They don’t deserve to be put on mind-numbing pretend work.
No, but they also deserve to do meaningful work, which the TSA is not. They should morph the agency and personnel into something that actually serves a function beyond security theater.
Agree. TSA could be doing more meaningful work for the amount spent
How bout they just dont show up? The TSA is a fraudulent agency anyway. Pre-9/11 security worked just fine.
And if someone is going to hijack a plane to pilot it into a building, i doubt their mission would depend on a large tube of toothpaste and a nail clipper
“Heh heh heh, finally, I can sneak enough explosive toothpaste into the plane!”
That’s the terrorists right now, how do you feel now, huh? It’s not a joke. TSA is extremely serious. 😤
We need to teach him to be scared of us.
Yeah him to hold still until the end of time.
Good luck. He can afford a personal army to protect him.
There are more of us.
With military-grade weapons? I doubt it.
With how loosy-goosy the US is with weapons purchasing? There’s a chance.
There’s also a chance that Musk’s security forces will spray bullets into the crowd from sniper positions.
If that ever happened, itd push the guillotines out overnight.
Sure it would. Just like all the other “if this happens, the guillotines will come out” events where that didn’t occur when it happened.
Remember when the goverment was first shut down in a long time, if ever before, when Republicans thought it would be a good ratfucker move to harm Obama’s presidency, and it blew up in their faces, and our Country went from a AAAA rated borrower to a AAA borrower due to government disfunction? We seriously need a law that prevents this stupid shit from happening again. Maybe if they don’t pass funding, we just renew the last passed funding. It pisses me off so much. Imagine getting paid a significant amount of tax payer money, a life long sipend, and better health care than most the county, and not even doing your job and letting the goverment shut down. At some point here the lawlessness is going to convince enough people that it seriously doesn’t matter anymore.
We seriously need a law that prevents this stupid shit from happening again. Maybe if they don’t pass funding, we just renew the last passed funding
What we do in Australia is of the government can’t pass a budget we dissolve the government and go for elections.
Clearly the MP are not doing their jobs so make them run for their jobs again.That works in a parliamentary system, because the state and the government are two different things. In the U.S. system, they are functionally the same thing. We can’t dissolve the government, or we’d have to rebuild the entire state apparatus from the ground up.
Why doesn’t the “no new wars!” gang cut military spending by 65-80%? Defense readiness doesn’t cost $800B/ year.
Maybe if they don’t pass funding, we just renew the last passed funding.
This is exactly what happened a few days ago in France. While it’s not perfect, it’s still a whole lot better than a shutdown.
Ruining the holidays for a bunch of government employees, not just TSA. I am more worried about air traffic controllers, NASA, NOAA, FDA, the VA (yeah they suck, but a lot of people depend on them and making them work unpaid is definitely not going to improve anything), and thousands of other government employees that will go without pay. The longer it lasts, the worse it will be for the economy.
Damn. Imagine just showing up to work knowing you won’t be paid, with a bunch of other coworkers who are in the exact same socio-economic hostage crisis.
Gotta wonder if there’s some kind of organizational remedy. Like… a collection of workers who could all respond together as a single labor unit to demand a different set of policies on pain of withholding their labor until their demands are met.
I’ve heard of these! They’re called onions!
Like an ogre, they have layers.
I am old enough to remember when Reagan used military and scabs to bust the air traffic controllers’ strike. Hopefully this time people won’t cross picket lines.
There’s no picket lines, because there’s no organizing and no threat of a strike. Reagan did his work and Clinton/Bush/Obama/Trump/Biden made sure it stuck.
More likely what we’re going to see isn’t a single unified organized effort, but a bunch of individuals just walking off the job or phoning it in because they’re too demoralized to continue doing these thankless jobs. Then we may well still need to send in the military as scabs, just on a more permanent basis, since military scabs can’t legally quit.
Mandatory military service in exchange for free public education is already being floated. Canada should build a wall and make America pay for it, cause they are about to have a serious illegal immigration problem.
Mandatory military service in exchange for free public education is already being floated.
Excited to see the biggest rug-pull in US history when that back half fails to materialize.
Canada should build a wall and make America pay for it
The Canadian far-right is such a fucking joke. They want to be American so badly. Far from building a wall, I suspect they’ll be the ones shoving open the gates if we ever get a President deranged enough to try an annexation.
There will be “education,” but the traditional description for it is indoctrination.
Two sides of the same coin. The distinction between the two is primarily whether you consider the information conveyed beneficial or nefarious.
Either way, Americans are already the most propagandized people on earth. You don’t need to send people to college to indoctrinate them. You’ve got consumer-grade mass media doing the job just fine.
Then we may well still need to send in the military as scabs, just on a more permanent basis, since military scabs can’t legally quit
The big difference will be that those jobs can’t be replaced as easily. ATC had quasi-analogous people in the military, and the only real match there is the VA. The issue is the amount of military doctors/nurses working in the armed forces does not compare to the civilian side. For the rest? NASA/NOAA/FDA have one-if-not-none person that may be able to substitute in.
With that thought, I’d be more than willing to place money on this being one of the thrusts of the idiotic doge. Why have national parks? Why care about food and drug quality? Healthcare for vets? Bahahaha, the money overlords care about their own supply, which they can ensure with their money. Everything there is focused solely on the peons, which have no meaning to the people pulling these strings.
Yeah we all hate Elon Musk, but government employees who work during a shutdown are reimbursed for full pay when the shutdown is over. Threads like this make me wonder how much of lemmy is high school sophomores. We don’t know how long this latest shutdown will last, but they’re getting to be almost a routine political tactic now instead of Congress doing its fucking job and taking care of its bookkeeping. This really isn’t a billionaire thing.
Doesn’t help that much if you live paycheck to paycheck.
Valid point of discussion, but that’s a much deeper level of thinking than 90% of the comments here.
They have bills that don’t wait for shutdowns to end.
This is absolutely a billionaire thing b/c it demonstrates that billionaires have no concern for the people they affect since they have the luxury of cash coffers that most Americans don’t have.
It’s going to be a long 4 years
It may be wrong, but here I’m hoping someone starts a paparazzi site where people anonymously tip off the location of these celebrities and keep track of where they are all the time.
They would shut anything down. I mean Elon even shut down open source reporting of celebrity jet flights.
Meanwhile he would have no problem attaching a bomb collar around everyone’s neck. One that he personally can use to blow them up and does just because he feels like it.
It’s just not on Twitter.
Clicking on mastodon reminded me I have a mastodon account!
Isn’t there a large time desync now?
It varies. Some days it’s better than other weeks. It’s a bot using the best OSInt available for the purpose, but there are inherent limitations.
Possibly far less. Depends on how many missiles get launched.
Just a reminder that Elon Musk is not from the United States.
…which is why he had to buy a president instead of buy the presidency.
He’s legally a US citizen by way of his mother.
Nevermind how much “god damn those evil foreigners are at it again” rhetoric makes me gag. Peter Thiel and Marc Andressen are fully American and they suck just as hard. If anything, the problem isn’t Elon, its Stanford University and the endless line of factory produced insane far-right techbro degenerates that it rolls out which gave us our modern hellscape.
Fuck musk and fuck everyone Like him
That said: fuck everyone who works for the TSA, bunch of useless dickheads who take out their anger on those trying to fly while objectively failing to catch basic security failures. Much like anyone who works for an insurance company: they can rot for all I care
Until working is optional I never blame the lowest in the hierarchy. I’ve worked some shit jobs of questionable morality in my time because I had to eat and pay rent and couldn’t gamble having a roof over my head on a better job coming along.
All airport jobs look shit, I mean that sympathetically.
They’re not the lowest in the hierarchy. They’re selling us out, like prison guards.
Eating and paying rent ≠ permission to be a power crazy dickhead just because you can (TSA workers).
We can find a better jobs program than making air travel suck.
If we want to abolish the TSA and move the money into a dramatically expanded AmTrak, I’m here for it.
But if you think the modern era of school shootings and abortion clinic bombings and J6 riots is going to give us a de-securitized airport system, I’d kindly ask you to pass me what you’re smoking.
We made flights more secure with the better door to the cockpit. The TSA part is equally effective as a metal detector is. It wouldn’t be less secure to not do the enhanced screening the TSA does. It would mean several companies lose out on massive contracts for that fancy equipment, which is why it won’t happen.
The TSA part is equally effective as a metal detector is.
You’re confusing the workers for their tools. Like saying I don’t need a mechanic to fix my car, just a wrench and a jack.
It would mean several companies lose out on massive contracts for that fancy equipment, which is why it won’t happen.
The government kickbacks to hardware supplies isn’t the reason you think TSA are being rude to you. And this stuff doesn’t get meaningfully less expensive when businesses buy direct.
fuck everyone who works for the TSA, bunch of useless dickheads
Federal government creates a giant CYA department to account for their massive intelligence failure 23 years ago and now I’m going to be angry at the now-currently-unpaid 23 year old directing me through a metal detector so I don’t try and bring a gun onto a high speed high occupancy mid-air aluminum tube because she isn’t doing the REAL WORK of playing candy crush in a squad car like a proper police officer.
FFS, I’d argue that TSA is the most useful form of police officer currently on duty. I’ve been through my local airport a hundred times and I consistently find them to be polite, patient, and stoic in a way street cops never are.
because she isn’t doing the REAL WORK of playing candy crush in a squad car like a proper police officer.
Your words, not mine, fuck the police and don’t put words in my mouth
FFS, I’d argue that TSA is the most useful form of police officer currently on duty
You’d very much be wrong. While the cops aren’t great by any means the TSA consistently fails audits and has, last I heard, stopped an estimated 0 incidents of terrorism. Cops at least do have track records of stopping some crimes
I’ve been through my local airport a hundred times and I consistently find them to be polite, patient, and stoic in a way street cops never are.
I’m very glad you’ve had that experience, actually. Having flown out of 12 states and 4 countries: US TSA is the rudest and slowest of the security teams 99.9% of the time and it’s not even close
the TSA consistently fails audits and has, last I heard, stopped an estimated 0 incidents of terrorism
My coworker just got done negotiating payment on a $7000 fine for carrying a gun through security. She was not the only one at the courthouse for this kind of infraction. The TSA certainly seems to be catch some number of potential incidents. But one more notable consequence of the TSA (and contemporary international organizations) has been a sharp plunge in the frequency of airplane hijackings, which I certainly appreciate.
US TSA is the rudest and slowest of the security teams
As someone who regularly travels through Europe, you could not possibly be more incorrect. Italy is far and away the rudest. And I’ve seen airports from Korea to Turkyie get jammed up for hours due to their comparatively primitive security screenings. Had a domestic Japanese flight that ended up taking me four hours just to board, because of security delays. Taking the Shinkansen from Sapporo to Tokyo would have been faster, despite going a third the speed of the plane.
The TSA certainly seems to be catch some number of potential incidents
Should have been more clear (oh wait just reread my comment and I already was clear on this your point is irrelevant): incidents of actual terrorism and not people forgetting something in their bag with 0 intention of actually doing something with it. They also love to take shit that should be allowed, too, because they’re thieves on a power trip
But one more notable consequence of the TSA (and contemporary international organizations) has been a sharp plunge in the frequency of airplane hijackings, which I certainly appreciate.
Not the TSA at all, that’s the air Marshalls and other increased security in the actual plane like hard locked cockpits
incidents of actual terrorism and not people forgetting something in their bag
You’re backing yourself into a corner, because you now seem to acknowledge TSA is doing something, you just think its a thing that only applies to “good” people rather than “bad” people.
And your rubric is contradictory. If the TSA stops you with a gun before you get on the plane, you get to say “My bad, please just let me off with warning” or they’ve failed at their jobs. But if you let someone with a gun onto a plane and then they hijack the plane, they’ve failed to stop a terrorist. How does a TSA agent stop a terrorist incident on these terms? Is the argument that the TSA is useless because terrorist attacks aren’t being thwarted at the moment the individual passes through the metal detector?
air Marshalls and other increased security in the actual plane like hard locked cockpits
Are additional measures that help screen for less-conventional weapons and strategies. But, again, we seem to be using “stopped a terrorist attack” as only happening after it has begun. TSA isn’t on board the planes, so there’s no way they can ever do the thing you’re giving Air Marshals and locked doors credit for.
That TSA as a first-stage screen reduces the number of incidents air marshals and door locks have to prevent as a last resort doesn’t seem to matter.
Leave it to Weevil to be entirely unable to read
Fun fact, when you’re a dickhead to people, they usually respond in turn. Stop being a piece of human shit and they’ll be nice too :)
Its the TSA employees that need to hear that, not me
I’m a fucking customer service rep in my normal job, I get that public facing roles suck. I walk up with my ID ready, ready to follow the arbitrary rule changes theyve made in the last few weeks, and use basic politeness even when they’re incredibly rude to my face
Abolish the TSA, they’re entirely useless
President Musk flexing his muscles even before puppet inauguration.
One thing I wondered is what would happen if Putin and Musk disagree at some point about what Trump is supposed to do? But the answer is actually easy: whoever strokes Trump’s ego better at the time gets their policy through. Trump lives in the moment.
what would happen if Putin and Musk disagree at some point
Nothing significant. Musk is running on a purely American strain of right-wing revanchism. Trying to deflect all our problems onto Evil Foreign Man is a big part of why the country is as fucked as it is today. We simply cannot let ourselves believe that the fascist strain gripping our country by the taint is American born and bred. So every four years, Republicans accuse the Democrats of being Chinese and Democrats accuse the Republicans of being Russian, and then the parties do old fashioned American Protestant Capitalism to the country while we all writhe in torment, looking for someone else to blame.
I don’t know, I still think Putin has info on Trump that Trump really doesn’t want to be public for whatever reason. So I’m thinking he would defer to Putin.
I used to think that, but there’s nothing Trump could have done that the loony right wing public wouldn’t gleefully dismiss as not important. (Well, apart from a lewd orgy with trans Muslim Mexican immigrants, but I don’t think any of those exist, and Trump would just call it faked anyway.)
Now I think that Putin just rings him up to tell him what a great president he is and all the world admires how strong a leader he is, not like those weak Democrats who (insert policy Putin wants dropped), no, Trump is a strong and courageous leader and everyone can tell how strong and virile he is because he supports policies like (insert policy that Putin wants implemented).
I mean maybe there’s a video of Trump shouting “Yes, shove that big beautiful black dildo in me harder!”, but I don’t think it’s necessary at all. See how easy it was for the North Korean president to get Trump to completely change direction. He just sweet talked him for a bit. Trump is an absolute sucker for someone he perceives as strong telling him he’s great. American foreign policy is at the whim of any world leader who can make Trump feel proud of himself for a week.
Whether or not the public would dismiss it and whether or not he thinks they would dismiss it are two very different things.
Which does point towards some non-hetero sexcapade, because pretty much everything else he’s famous for already having done.
I still think he’s pathetically easy to manipulate for dictators.
Putin probably gave him a few billion to buy him. It’s peanuts money for an oligarch. Putin could reveal the amount and banking details, how much was invested into the different building projects Trump is so proud of.
At this point, I’m not sure that would be enough to sink him.
For him it’s not so much a worry about losing people as it is a personal branding ego thing. He’s payed off people for stuff that was already known and his supporters didn’t care about just to not mention again.
but there’s nothing Trump could have done that the loony right wing public wouldn’t gleefully dismiss as not important.
Young boys. It’s the only thing I can think of that might sway enough of them.
They just wouldn’t believe it. They wouldn’t accept that it was real, and any investigation would either confirm that belief or be obviously political and corrupt.
You’re right. And now with AI, they have all the plausible deniability they need.
“There’s a big secret that somebody knows that will totally sink Trump’s career at long last and if we can just find what it is and tell everyone else we’ll win” is a lie liberals have been feeding to one another for thirteen years running.
We have him glad-handing Jeffery Epstein and nobody seems to fucking care. We have him on record paying off prostitutes and taking bribes from the Saudis and implying he’d like to fuck his daughter. We have videos of him saying insane shit about having sex on a yacht during a speech to the fucking Boy Scouts. We have him rambling incoherently about “Eating the Dogs and the Cats” in the middle of a national debate.
But don’t worry, there’s something even deeper and weirder and crazier. And that’s going to make all the difference.
And that’s why he’s friends with Vladimir Putin. It’s certainly not just that they’re both white nationalists who agree with each others’ politics.
Have you never heard of Nineteen Eighty Four? There is nothing that can sway Trump’ supporters. 2+2=5
