Their right-wing mind does not understand metaphors to reality so they don’t see it
Right wing star wars fans probably love the empire and wish they were darth vader. Just because they like a piece of media doesn’t mean that theyre interpreting it the way it was intended or the same way you are.
It’s also why they love the old Disney shit so much. Because in many of the old movies it’s the aristocracy who are being portrait as the good guys and who defend the peace from turning into anarchy.
Maybe we’re not thinking of the same movies, but when I think of old Disney I don’t see that pattern:
- Snow White: an orphan girl, bullied by her step mom, flees into the woods to live with dwarfs, then becomes a princess because she’s pretty.
- Pinocchio: wooden puppet is given life by a fairy to reward its craftsman for being a good person.
- Fantasia: artistic vignettes
- Bambi: life of a deer.
- Cinderella: an orphan girl, bullied by her stepmom, becomes a princess because she’s pretty, with the help of a fairy who rewards her for being a good person.
To me it seems like the good guys are mostly attractive youths with a strong work ethic and no parents.
They love the Punisher, but perverted the purpose of the fictional hero
Alex Jones does exactly this. He’ll start talking about Star Wars, but it almost always turns into him doing a Vader voice saying he’s going to kill all the “globalists”. It’s a sight to behold, lemme tell ya.
It is like when Trump talks about Hannibal Lecter as his friend and a great guy.
Tell me Donald, does your face only look like a Cheeto, or does it also tastes like one? Let’s find out, shall we?
Probably tastes like sweat, and tanning solution
Remember when Eric Trump compared the Democrats to the Resistance and thought that was a burn?
Strange how the felons kids have stayed real quiet in the last few months…
I always mix up Eric and trump jr. I think trump Jr is the one that has been engaged to Ms Kimberly guillofoyle for the last 6 ulyrar
They won’t believe anything that does not match their world-view. If you say the guy is innocent, they just say Fox news told them he was in a gang, and they treat that as a fact.
There is no way to get to these people, unless the GOP inflicts personal pain on them, and even then…loyalty and “purity” is everything to them.
EDIT: I’m having an existential crisis. I’m not sure I’m so dumb when I look at these people.
Media illiteracy is part of the reason they are right wing in the first place. They do not make those connections.
Also see: every conservative Trek fan
Their brains should be studied for science. How are they not crushed under the weight of their own contradiction?
It might partially be that Worf’s suggestion to shoot first and ask questions later tends to be the solution.
Or that TOS was progressive for the '60s but we caught up and passed it.
Or that Berman, who ran the franchise for the '90s shows, was actually pretty conservative and progressive messages had to be almost snuck past him.
Sadly some TOS seem progressive by today’s standards because the GOP dragged society that far back.
I wonder if one day we’ll say “Remember when Blade was a black guy? Ah the woke years.”
I shudder at the thought
they were bold enough to called SG1 woke.
Yeah no shit. Everyone’s friggin asleep. Nobody realizes what they see is not some master plan or 4d chess. It’s consolidation of power for something very different than a democracy. A battle with the tech billionares afraid of death and a morally rotten to the core chewy center authoritarian up your heiney.
Three possibilities:
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No they don’t.
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They kinda do see some vague similarities (there is a prison) if they squint but it’s different because reasons.
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They do but they think it’s woke garbage anyway.
- They think the Empire are the good guys
Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.
Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).
What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there’s any ideology beyond that, the movies don’t really get into it.
In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire’s side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.
Oh shi-
This makes so much sense. It’s like a glimpse into some form of enlightenment that I don’t want to experience.
Have some Lemmy Gold.
- There is no such thing as a “right wing” Star Wars fan.
- They cried when Palpatine died.
I’m sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn’t make sense but there it is.
Star Wars is not right wing by America’s fascist standards but it is right wing by most other standards.
Lucas is clearly a firm pro-capitalism liberal. The story criticizes fascism and the concentration of power but hardly criticizes authority and firmly supports strict social hierarchies. There’s an entire sub-caste of sapient slaves called droids that never gets acknowledged as problematic!
And that’s what made Andor very special. It’s an allegory for class struggle and unionization. It’s a story Lucas would have never told, and it is brilliant.
Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They’re probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
right wingers had a problem with 90+% female and LGBTQ+ leads, thats all they were complaining about in STD.
I had zero problem with the cast. But after they decided to give Space Hitler her redemption arc, I just couldn’t take the show seriously anymore.
Considering that Section 31 turned into a perverted circus…
nah, they got mad NU-TREK with thier virtue signalling of WOMEN AND gay leads, which was forced by kurtzman. nutrek literally broke thier minds.
Maybe they should try 40k.
Unfortunately, they very much do.
And they don’t understand who the good guys are in 40k either (it’s no one. Except maybe tyranids acting at an instinctual level)
Bullshit, the Orks are working towards increasing average happiness in the galaxy!
I mean, by process of elimination, I guess.
I thought about including orks in there, but they do too many uncool things like trying to fight people who don’t want to fight.
They’re perfectly happy fighting anyone and everyone, including themselves, and just want a good propper fight.
Kind of hard justifying a fight with puppies though…
At least 20% of ANY group is comprised of assholes.
Our local park volunteers are 1/5th jerks?! Noooo
(Plausible but hope not)
It makes perfect sense once you realize that their media literacy is through the basement. Regular literacy too, I’d wager. 54% of adults (in America) read below the sixth-grade level. Source.
This is a pretty interesting link. I knew the low literacy rate fact before, but from a different source.
The economic cost of low literacy in the U.S. is estimated at $2.2 trillion annually due to productivity losses.
Filing this under “conservatives are so stupid. so fucking stupid.”. they want to save money by gutting education and that’s just ass-backwards.
They root for Vader and the Storm Troopees now and don’t watch Andor, the one I know anyway.
There are left-wing Bronies?
There’s still bronies?
What’s a bron
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I don’t know what to do with this question.
Unfortunately, yes there’s rightwing Star Wars fans. The GOP even made a video photoshopping DNC leaders at the imperial generals meeting on the Death Star and making Nancy Pelosi the person behind Darth Vader’s mask. They claim the Democrats are the evil empire and that republicans are the rebels.
Perhaps they do exist, and the Star Wars right wing fans are right and think mega prisons are ok because it’s “only for criminals of course”, and they also rejoiced when the trade routes were taxed.
Bro, Paul Ryan likes Rage Against the Machine. I don’t even know if sarcasm exists anymore.
It wouldn’t surprise me if a Nazi likes Inglorious Bastards.
- They root for the Empire.
You should be allowed to root for Admiral Thrawn independent of where you are on the political or autistic spectrum!
What did they do when he, somehow, returned?
It was a beautiful moment though.
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I poked my fan into the Star Wars Reddit fandom once, and it seemed like they hate Andor?
I was honestly baffled at the time. I’m not a huge fan, but it’s like the best Star Wars thing I’ve ever seen (with the runner up being kotor II)
Honestly only ranks below the original trilogy for me. It’s really fantastic on all levels.
To me, the original trilogy is… ok.
That’s probably why I’m not in the Star Wars fandom, heh.
Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.
To me, the original trilogy is… ok.
The original trilogy has a very mythological feel that none of the other works have ever managed to fully capture (and, honestly, that feeling was on the wane even as early as Episode 6). I can name the modern works, outside of Star Wars, that have that atmosphere on one hand. It’s a very delicate balance to get that atmosphere, and I think even the OT only succeeded at it by happy accident.
Still, Andor felt so fundamental, quintessential Star Wars.
I agree entirely. Can’t wait to see Season 2!
The original trilogy has a very mythological feel
First time I paid any attention watching the original trilogy was after playing Mass Effect, watching DS9, and consuming some other sci-fi/fantasy, even some other Star Wars stuff … I get what you’re saying, but I guess it didn’t strike me as “remarkably mythic” when I first saw it, and that might be because I’d already seen so much?
@AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net is getting at what I feel. Andor’s characters and the details of the worldbuilding are so strong. Same with KOTOR II. Even if they’re more inconsistent, rough, or ‘lacking wonder,’ that more than makes up for it to me.
I felt the same way about episode 6’s waning mythological feel, until I recently watched all 6 in the so-called “Machete” order (4 -> 5 ->1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 6). Ending with 6 right after having gone through the prequels ramped the myth feeling up to 11 for me in a very interesting way - there are so many parallels between 3 and 6 and at the same time 6 shines so much the brighter in contrast to 3. There’s a cyclical nature to the whole star wars narrative project as directed by George Lucas that I never noticed for my self until this rewatch, despite having seen all 6 movies over a dozen times each.
Especially the juxtaposition of Anakin’s confrontation of Windu and Palpatine, contrasted with Luke’s confrontation of Vader and Palps. It was always apparent that Luke’s decision to forfeit his life rather than killing his father was his way of breaking his family’s cycle (and symbolic of the rest of the Galaxy breaking free of the empire), but when I was just watching his father condemn the entire galaxy to fascism and evil on the off chance that his wife will be “saved” an hour or two earlier, it just hit different.
“The original trilogy has a very mythological feel”
I can’t remember where I saw it, but I read something that part of why Andor feels so different to other Star Wars is that the original trilogy (OT) felt like a space opera — the characters exist on a stage, and the world around them ceases to be when the characters leave. This probably contributes to the “magic” of the original trilogy.
Andor, by comparison, has such strong world building and supporting cast that it feels like the world is real, and we only get a small glimpse into what’s going on. My favourite minor character was the dude who hits the anvil-bell thing; he takes his job so seriously that it gives a ritual feel to the job, and I get the sense that this is an honoured role.
I don’t think it’s better or worse than the feel of the original trilogy — just different — but Andor is refreshing because far too much of Star Wars has captured neither the mythological magic of the OT, or the realism of Andor. I think Andor is the last piece of Star Wars that I care about, so I’ll be devastated if season 2 is disappointing
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I’m a massive fan of Star wars and even the original trilogy are just meh for me. I much more prefer episode 3, clone wars, rebels, rogue one, andor and games like kotor
Star Wars depend on which age you experience it. Lots of people who’s old enough to watch the original trilogy on theaters are going to say that the OG trilogy is the best. People who grew up with the prequels are going to have similar taste like you.
Leftist and I honestly think it’s one of the most embarrassing pieces of Star Wars media to ever exist
Edit: If I called the Heist arc mid, that would be giving it more praise than it deserves. You can’t change my mind.
Would you care to elaborate on why that is? I would say it’s easily the best piece of star wars media to come out since Disney took over, and arguably prior to that. It doesn’t get overly bogged down in trying to reference or shoehorn in references to other star wars characters like parts of The Mandalorian or the sequel trilogy and it tells a compelling and emotional narrative about the path one man takes to become a dedicated member of the resistance
The Force AWOKEens
The dismissiveness is intense, no matter the fan base.
“I can’t watch Star Trek any more because it’s woke.”
Star Trek is the original, ultimate woke TV. Since the original series, they’ve always incorporated the “woke” of their times, starting with the casting of Uhura. The cast of Roots is sprinkled throughout, which includes Avery Brooks and Lavar Burton. They didn’t quite make it with a female second in command, she ended up as Nurse Chapel instead. Even so, Star Trek TOS is pretty woke for the times.
I can’t imagine blinders aren’t worn regarding the Empire as well. Granted, this comes from recognizing authoritarianism for what it is.
I THINK ITS specifically nutrek that broke thier minds, when they started to force all female leads, a bonus of lgbtq+ people. and not because the nutrek series were terrible compared to the Og ones.
“Right-wing Star Wars fans” in for a rude awakening when they figure out who the Empire represents.
jfc
I wonder if they just haven’t discovered 40k yet.
I had a former coworker who was a hardcore Trump-publican and also really into Warhammer 40k, Star Trek, and to a lesser degree Star Wars, and at least once a week would play Pink Floyd’s “Animals” and “The Wall”. That media illiteracy hits hard.
Well you don’t end up in a clowncult without some sort of severe media illiteracy. It’s essential.
or “right wing star trek fans”
Actually (not so) funny story… I had a neo-nazi kid in my class growing up… like wear a nazi arm band to school level, and he was a massive star wars nerd. He actually liked the empire tho, so… he’d be fully on board with this representation
I overheard two kids talking about how much they liked American History X in the late 90’s… they loved the curb stomping scene and how “badass” Derek was. Safe to assume they missed the point.
Amazing that the school didn’t do anything. Curious as to which era of Star Wars this was? Early, Prequels, later?
Well the school was quite limited in what the could do as long as no teacher saw him displaying the symbols directly, so… basically only show it to people when the teacher leaves the room, or during breaks etc.
In terms of eras, im not sure? Im not a star wars fan myself… this was like 2018-2021, so im imagining everything up to then… I know he talked about yoda quite a bit, if he was in a specific era only that may help narrow down his favourite
I figured it was probably an isolated wearing, and of course kids don’t want to be the one who tells on someone.
So he had no real excuse on Star Wars. Not that the early films were less obvious, but there was less to work with and the joke was “the Empire did nothing wrong” to side on the cool side of their tech. But once you pass the point where one of the Dark Side is killing children…and are okay with that not even in a handwaving manner…
No yeah… that guy was like an actual fascist defender when it came to stuff like the holocaust… not denier, defender… killing children was probably the thing that worried him the least there. I remember when in politics class we were supposed to set up our own political parties and have a mock election for a project he did go full alt-right with it too… honestly I kinda wonder to what extent he was actually down that rabbit hole, or if a lot of it was just being edgy… but like… he was in general also super obsessed with military stuff, and at school during P.E. he’d do various exercises you’d get in the army, with the intention to join after graduation… either that or the police, he’d talk about both just as much as star wars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
For a lot of terminally online edgy teens, it all starts as edgy jokes. Like using the n-word, joking about the Holocaust, etc. The problem is that they will be associating with true believers. Their “sense of humor” is off-putting to most people so they retreat further into their echo chambers. The line gets blurry. Time passes and they’ve been pretending to be a fascist for so long that it’s no longer pretend, it’s just who they are.
Remember how pepe the frog, the silly 4chan character, literally turned into a symbol of racism and fascism? It’s this but for real people.
Oh yeah definitely :3… I mean with that guy it just started with being obsessed with the military, and then it was ww2 tactics, and then ww2 nazi tactics, and then suddenly there are swastikas drawn everywhere… so at least some of it was totally going through the nazi pipeline
Kinda wonder what he’s up to now :3
Wouldn’t be surprised if he got his wish to become a cop.
They would be vehemently against it if any other concievable administration did it.
Not the ones that thought The Boys superheroes were the good guys.
The protesters who LARPed being Homelander arresting Biden is just… ugh…
In andor the empire didn’t propaganda Photo of him with margaritas to appease the boot lickers
