• Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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    To the same audience: quit selling my fucking phone number!

    I ditched a phone number I had for 10+ years because it was leaked everywhere. Only a few short months after updating my number with the DMV and a handful of other government agencies I started receiving scam calls/messages again.

    At some point we need to adopt some fucking privacy laws. This is absolutely bonkers—is no one else fed up??

    Edit: I already know how to silence unknown callers. What I want is to not have the problem in the first place, ideally by 1) having companies not sell personal data to third parties and 2) being able to block spoofed (non-encrypted) caller ID.

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      Oh everyone is fed up but we just elected a guy and government who is sure to make it all way way way worse.

      He just helped put the nail in the coffin of the lie that crypto is for anything but scams, don’t worry, it’s gonna get real bad before it gets any better.

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        In South Africa, where I live, everyone is assigned an ID Number at Birth. You need an ID number, thumbprint scan AND proof of address to get issued a SIM card number due to a law introduced called RICA. It was meant to help fight crime. Worried that the government could listen in to calls or read their SMSs, the criminals just switched to WhatsApp, which also happened to become cheaper than SMSs and gained popularity in this time.

        The cops never seemed to crack WhatsApp. The only drug busts that happen are when an open secret becomes laughably too open and when they harass every person arriving from South America at O.R. Tambo international airport just to catch the decoy mules carrying 12g of cocaine (total). Every dealer I ever organised with was over WhatsApp.

        So now, woopsi, RICA stopped nothing and just became a liability. That treasure trove of fragile data made its way to scammers and spammers. A total net negative.

        I’d encourage everyone else in other countries to apply major pushback to any government proposals in this direction.

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          There’s a subset of Americans who are rather like ostriches: heads so deeply buried in the sand that they forget anything exists outside their immediate surroundings. Reminding them that the rest of the world is out there rarely has any positive results, however.

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        “Bitcoin, it just seems like a scam,” Mr Trump said. “I don’t like it because it’s another currency competing against the dollar.”

        — Donald Trump

        Of course, Trump Coin made just for him is fine. And any security who bribes him. Oh wait now none of them are securities; Gary Gensler was our last line of defense.

        [Edit: got it backwards]

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      I’m pretty sure a lot of scam calls use machines that call every possible phone number within an area code and see who answers. There is no way to avoid it.

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        this right here. I stopped getting scam calls years ago, I stopped answering and they just eventually stopped calling. If you don’t interact with the call (interact being ignore it or mute it NOT reject it) and it just goes to voicemail, they seem to eventually stop

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          Lucky you. I’ve been letting calls from any number I don’t recognize go to voicemail for years and nothing ever seems to change.

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            I just block and report as spam any spam text messages I get and any calls that get marked as scam likely. It was terrible before the election because I live in a swing county in a swing state and I think everyone was just mass spamming every number in the area code, but since then I haven’t really gotten much, maybe one errant text every 2 or 3 weeks. Which is much better than it was last spring and summer when the amount started picking up for me.

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          If you’re job hunting, or work in specific fields this may not be a reasonable thing to do and that’s at least part of the problem.

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            This would deem troublesome yea, being said I firmly believe in separating work and home. I wouldn’t be willing to use a personal number for work related activities, at least not public related activities. Being said, I have no good solution for that, at least you are being paid for the scam call I guess.

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              Job hunting is what I meant. And you pretty much have to use your personal phone for that. I haven’t ever had a company phone. Doubt they’d give it to techs.

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      lists sourced from drivers licenses and motor vehicle registration records are literally sold by some states.

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      Australia has a “do not call register”. It seems to mostly work, but telcos are having trouble with calls originating from outside the network with spoofed caller ID. We still get spam/scam calls from India among other places.

      Even if they’re not calling you directly, they are still using your phone number to link you to things and create a shadow profile behind the scenes.

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      29 days ago

      Don’t worry, here in Europe we are full of privacy laws but I still receive tents of spam calls per day. Usually from non UE countries faking the number with my country numbers.

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        Anything with a London 020 number is guaranteed to be a man with an Indian accent pretending to be from British Telecom.

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      I set my phone to decline calls from unknown callers years ago.

      These calls are already illegal. I used to report them to the FTC but I never heard anything back so I have no idea what happens, but I presume nothing. If I had the time to take them, and if they spoke English, I would record them with the Cube ACR app (which no longer works) and convince them to incriminate themselves. Ask their name, company, location, time/date, whether they ran my number through the DNC registry.

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
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      At some point we need to adopt some fucking privacy laws.

      Yeah we absolutely had to ban TilTok because of privacy concerns but the idea of creating a law to protect our privacy is ridiculous beyond all reasoning. The stupidity of the United States government is absolute.

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      At some point we need to adopt some fucking privacy laws. This is absolutely bonkers—is no one else fed up??

      Look at you, trying to use the government to solve every day problems that face pretty much all of us.

      Don’t you know we only focus on gridlock issues to distract us from real issues now?

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      I’m confused of how this keeps happening to people.

      Like I use my phone on most sites that allow it and I’ve never had spam/scam calls really, but I’ve also explicitly unchecked the marketing boxes that appear on the signup so maybe that it.

      The last instance that actually happened to me was with entering my university a few years ago for my BS degree. They 1000% sold my contact information as some part of the deans/honors list process. I reached out to them and stopped that so fast.

  • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    This should be what digital ID looks like:

    -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

    mDMEZ26+ARYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAsUGMjbGNUyyz9PHsHKP4xj/tIfYIuHb4miPH 0iCPpu60K0VSUk9SOiBFYXJ0aC5leGUgaGFzIGNyYXNoZWQgPG5vQGVtYWlsLmV4 ZT6IcgQTFggAGgQLCQgHAhUIAhYBAhkBBYJnbr4BAp4BApsDAAoJEI6E3uMn31Z3 028BAM5o8ER0dqTsxFlZSgZOvvgFHGuy2eFgF3rULkGKl1KrAP9fdE7WwnYbBer/ AVmw5jr0P5m/XsEQQrSueuk/FLYBBbg4BGduvgESCisGAQQBl1UBBQEBB0BDR0Bv pf4jxbwp9rVowFTnL59NGqnnh6XyF/LjAoYDGgMBCAeIYQQYFggACQWCZ26+AQKb DAAKCRCOhN7jJ99Wd1dMAP45xmN03SodkWHi7PYOORqNXJUBdMzzfsRXdqE8ZXaW vAD+PqNqPcbwJYCOEAXkg7DlZ0SX3o9MViZLdzHFQ3TpUA8= =krDh -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

    PGP Key Fingerprint: 857957d40f06cc816fd3d29a8e84dee327df5677

    Should be good until quantum computers come around

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      I’m sad PGP didn’t become a popular way to log into websites. A challenge-response protocol could have even been built into web browsers. Big tech is reinventing that idea as Passkey, but with a very big tech flavor.

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          I’m already hearing about restrictions on exporting passkeys and some apps requiring that you’re not running a custom ROM on Android and stuff like that. Makes me worried they’re going to fuck that up and make it restrictive bs

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              From what I heard passkeys need google services framework for some reason. Don’t know technical reasons behind it but I would assume its bs given its google.

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                Yes, they don’t work without Google Play Services. Google didn’t implement passkeys in Android, only their own services.

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              I’m living this pain with a custom ROM already, with some banking stuff, Google Wallet, WhatsApp passkeys and I think Netflix (haven’t installed it) block you for tripping up Google’s security tests.

              If passkeys become a big thing and they’ll start enforcing them and apps that have those security measures I’m going to fucking firebomb something. REEEEEE

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                Shit like this is why I don’t have a smartphone anymore. I have a brick phone that half the time I don’t even take out with me.

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        The California DMV requires you to renew your vehicle registration every year by paying with a bank account number (no card) which is like a 30ish digit number and they disable paste. If you get it wrong they won’t notify you in any way until you get pulled over by a cop who is one bad sneeze away from murdering you. It’s a great system.