As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I’m curious how it works for other people.
I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I’ve come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.
So, how do your thoughts work?
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I treat my mind as a big great block. If something is disturbing me, I stop to put everything into place and move “all together” again. It works and I’m more productive this way.
I hold no capacity for mental imagery, so a 5 on the Aphantasia Scale. When I think of things I do not consciously ask a question or engage in an inner monologue, either internally or externally, but instead become aware of the information that I need. My information is all stored with like information, so if you asked me about a person, then I get all of the information I have on that person including our previous conversation as though no time had passed. This makes people uncomfortable though, so I try not to reference things to specifically.
Similar to another poster here, I also hear voices, which range from background murmuring like a crowded restaurant to focused 1:1 interactions, though these are usually very brief. Additionally, I will ‘hear’ various noises and have gotten pretty good at not reacting to stuff until I gauge other peoples’ response.
I am not particularly creative. I cannot draw or create art, but I can recreate things that are in front of me.
I don’t know if that makes sense, and I am happy to answer questions if I didn’t describe it well.
I think as if in duality at times. I’ve come to think of it like the subconscious or one brain half that doesn’t know words injecting impressions, solutions, wants, into my conscious other brain half.
I think I can vaguely grasp how it can be that people have voices or other personalities in their head. I do not, though if my other brain half had developed a voice I’d be fucked. But that’s just how I perceive it.
Well, I do very occasionally tell myself I’m an idiot verbally when a cringy social interaction flashback hits me again. I hate that.
In any case I can visualize memories easily, even if details are unreliable and gaps are often filled with most probable placeholders created by imagination. Similar to dreams perhaps.
I’ve wattched my mind go to different states of self perception which I find interesting and jarring. Sometimes it shows me self perception that I like, which motivates me and makes me happy about myself and confident. Sadly those shifts in perception are hard to keep alive for long, hard as I might try.
My thinking happens in words and images equally, depending on the task. While writing this the right words just come from an unknown source and what I want to say is a concept finding it’s way with these words. As if one part is showing what message I want to deliver in words while a seperate process hands out the right words checking each word if it still conveys the intended meaning.
I analysed this while writing this and now feel like there is an type if LLM setup in my head as a component.
I have no internal monologue but I do have a mind’s eye. Ideas and thoughts appear to me in “splashes” or like a very quick flash. I can detect patterns in behavior and speech very accurately and quickly, and this abilty/quirk also makes me very tired rapidly. I love complicated stuff but get bored easily. Reading is one of my passions but I have to have different books for different times and places.
I’m in the “inner monologue” camp. Most of what I think materialises as thought words. I don’t have to move anything in my throat to do that unlike OP though, I can think in words without mumbling to myself.
But I know the voice can’t be all. It’s difficult for me to think in words while actively saying something, but I can have new thoughts while speaking. Sometimes, I get interrupted in thinking mid-sentence, but then I return to that sentence to finish it because… it’s just satisfying? It’s not that I learn anything new.
I feel like I don’t have very much imagination any more. Its hard to produce images in my mind, not impossible but I do have to concentrate - remembering images is easier.
Weirdly, way harder to me: imagining a voice. Inner voice is what I sound like to myself, I can remember and replay songs and quotes as I heard them, but having any voice say anything is hard, especially female voices. Went through some examples in my head couldn’t make anyone say anything - until I thought to make different tf2 mercs sing “Oh Canada”, that somehow worked despite me definitely not having heard that before. Brains are weird.
If I’ve been listening to an audio book, or a tv series my inner monologue can take on the voice of the narrator or main character. I’m always afraid I’m going actually speak out loud like them, but it’s never happened.
I have both voiced and unvoiced thoughts in my head, depending on what “level” the “thinking” is at. Like others in this thread, I heard every word of this comment as I typed it, as well as a few other times as I ideated and rephrased it before typing. However, some things, particularly practiced things, just happen without any “speaking”, and I just get a notion of the end result. This sometimes leads to a weird thing where, when I’m concentrating on something, both the voiced and unvoiced “threads” will do the same thing, but the voiced thoughts move at the speed of speech, and so the unvoiced thoughts get there first, and then have to wait for the voiced thoughts to catch up. I then get to wonder why I just thought the same thing twice, and why I waited for the voiced thread to finish at all when I already knew the outcome. It’s also not always just my own voice (though usually), I’ll set up “straw-men” to represent a certain viewpoint or person if something needs that level of consideration, or I want to prepare for a difficult conversation (or reflect on one that went poorly) - I’ve seen memes about similar things, so I think that’s pretty usual.
Similarly, when reading, I hear every word (not always in my own voice, characters and narrators sometimes get their own), but if I really get into the flow then parts will move into the unvoiced stream and I get much clearer images of what’s going on (I’m a 1-2 on the aphantasia scale depending on concentration and familiarity) - that state is hard to get to, though.
No idea if any of that’s normal or not, I’ve never really thought to talk to anyone about it.
Also, I occasionally have a small part of the inner monologue slip out as whispered speech too, like you said, though I don’t tend to cover it up, if people ask I just say “oh, sorry, just thinking out loud a bit”.
Edit: added more detail
For me it is an internal monologue with a silent audience that contributes without a voice.
My internal monologue might say “is this thing I am about to do a good idea?” And a wordless thought will provide a second opinion which my internal monologue would interpret and possibly reply to.
I’m a 1 on the aphantasia scale with maladaptive daydreaming. I am suffering.
schizophrenia here, my inner monologue is often conversational, like a string of words I’d speak to a person. and if I listen closely, I hear faintly a man or woman repeating the thought out loud, with emotion like confusion or contempt
What do you think of this? Do you think it applies to your situation?
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614
I’ve seen this before, but after a re-read, I found this:
In an interview, Luhrmann said that American clinicians “sometimes treat the voices as if they … should be ignored. Our work found that … the way people pay attention to their voices alters what they hear their voices say. That may have clinical implications.”
Yes, definitely. The people I hear are only ever critical or offensive, and “they” have learned what’s most hurtful to me. If I start paying attention to their echoes of financial worry, they get louder and more forceful. There’s something going on in my brain that learns what’s most painful to me, and amplifies it to cause pain.
I wish you the best dealing with this. You seem very introspective and I’m sure that helps.
Yes, as a Westerner I’d agree with the study’s findings. The people I hear are harsh, not mirthful.
And I am struck by this:
the voices were an intrusion and a threat to one’s private world – the voices could not be controlled.
It’s an invasive feeling, like an outsider in your head, digging around for things that hurt and embarrass you, then saying those things aloud. It makes you powerless, all you can do is sit there while someone yells out your most shameful thoughts, and there’s no stopping them.
Fascinating. I hope science can bring relief to this.
I keep trying to make this comment, then deleting it and trying again because I’m not 100% sure I have a certain behavior, and thinking about thinking is very distracting
So, I have an inner monologue, mind’s eye and I can change my inner monologue’s voice if I want. I find it easier to organize my thoughts by speaking out loud, although I do not do that unless alone. Looking at a fixed point also helps me filter out whatever’s going on outside to focus on my thoughts inside.
I have no sound, voice, or pictures in my head. I didn’t know that other people did see/hear things until a couple of years ago. Thoughts just come in chunks.
Me to. It’s called Aphantasia (no minds eye, so some or no pics) and Anendophasia (No inner voice). For me my thoughts are “just there” almost impossible to explain.
The way I explain it is: when you read, you don’t read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don’t have a language. I can ‘picture’ sounds I’ve heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one’s more difficult with pictures.
Uuh, yes, yes I do read them aloud in my head.
I think people are sometimes taught out of that since it slows down reading
I think it definitely does, but now I can’t not.
Same. And depending on what I’m reading I’ll sometimes use a specific voice…
Like if I’m reading a text from a friend I’ll “hear” it in their voice. Or I’ll make up voices for characters in a novel.
This is not a good explanation because as someone already pointed out a lot of (most?) people do “read the words aloud in their head”. For me, I often even make tiny moves of my tongue and larynx - see subvocalization.
Interesting, everyone I’ve told this to said that is indeed how they read!
Does reading something quietly take as long as reading something out loud for you? It’s hard to imagine!
If I’m actually reading with the goal of thorough understanding then it will take as long as reading it aloud or longer. I can still skim through the text faster, but I will understand less of it.
The Wikipedia article on subvocalization has a section on speed reading. It seems that subvocalizing can in fact limit the reading speed.
Thanks for the pointer, I’ll read the wiki!
Reading in my head certainly takes the same amount of time as reading out loud (occasionally with different voices for characters, as somebody else said).
If I read without doing that it’s a lot quicker but it doesn’t go in and I have to re-read it. My mind starts chatting away about something else rather than concentrating on the book.
Super interesting, cause for me it’s the opposite! If I try to read it out loud mentally, my mind is (I guess) understimulated and starts to wander, causing me to have to reread it.
Side question: if you give text a voice, what kind of a voice are you giving my comments here? Not just asking you specifically, but anyone who wants to answer!
For me, there is kind of default neutral sounding voice for comments, but as soon as I get some kind of clue as to the speaker, either from language or punctuation patterns or if they say something about who they are- age, gender, nationality, etc., then the voice gets some more distinctive sound to it.
For instance, @ickplant@lemmy.world, who is the main poster in several communities I subscribe to, has a picture of Leela from Futurama as her profile pic, and she has mentioned that she’s a she. So obviously when I read a comment or a title she wrote, it’s in Leela’s voice.
Your comment seems energetic and friendly, so the voice is genderless and with a neutral (to me) accent, but with an energetic, friendly tone and cadence.
Mostly it’s my own voice for comments 🙂, maybe a slight inflection. I don’t usually go overboard on the voices unless it’s somebody I know, or occasionally characters in books.
If I read out loud faster than certain limit the pronunciation becomes gibberish. Silent reading is much faster. OTOH when I read out loud, I focus on speech, my attention and hence understanding rate drops. So it takes even longer.
For complicated writing I sometimes even have to re read silently to understand the complete meaning.
Hm so it isn’t like reading it out loud, except in your head, after all?
I’m not sure tbh. It can be but often it feels I’m reading the meaning of a word and not pronouncing it in head. These can be misleading easily. Writing, yes.
When I get a song stuck (which happens constantly) I don’t hear it; I just have the unrelenting urge to sing it.
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I couldn’t understand what it’s like for people who actually see and hear things in their heads. I recently realized that I sometimes experience a faint taste and I guess it’s sort of like that?
I can taste food ok. Too ok, I seem to be some sort of super taster. Everything is to overpowering.
It scares me to think you could have pictures or movies in your head that you may not wish to have.
There was a bit of discussion about this on a podcast I listen to (Adrift) earlier in the year.
My mind is basically me taking to myself. As I write this I’m speaking all the words in my head. As I read it back I’m reading all the words in my head.
I believe there’s a school of thought that you shouldn’t read the words to yourself when you are reading, bit I have to do that otherwise it doesn’t go in. I can read a page without the words being spoken in my head but I will then have no idea what any of the page said, v and have to re-read it. Same if my mind wanders while reading - anything I read whilst my internal voice is talking about something else will not go in.
I can’t shut it up. If I think about nothing, my internal voice will literally be saying “I need to think about nothing. I should empty my mind. How do you think about nothing?”.
It’s extra fun when you know multiple languages since that voice also changes languages
You ever been in a crowded space with hundreds of people talking all at once? You can hear everyone, but not enough to really make out anything except once in a while when someone gets louder than everyone else.
That’s what my thoughts are like when I am not high on weed.
When I am high, the crowd shuts the fuck up and I can actually focus on a single, complete thought.
~just ADHD things~
