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    11 months ago

    I don’t want Trump to get another term. And Biden putting on his big boy pants and doing popular things is our best chance to preventing a second Trump term. It’s retail politics, not rocket science.

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      There are tons of popular things he’s not doing. For one, he could just straight up order the decriminalization of marijuana at the federal level. And by that, I mean, banning enforcement of the law.

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        Biden literally instructed the DEA to reschedule cannabis already. This kind of rulemaking requires actual policy studies, as the courts have repeatedly stated that it can’t be done capriciously.

        It’s crazy how people know every fucking awful thing the government does but never the stuff they ostensibly support. I’ll say it again - the biggest problem with progressive US politics is the cynicism and engagement gap

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          Biden literally instructed the DEA to reschedule cannabis already.

          He directed them to look into it. That’s not the same thing as telling them to reschedule it.

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            That is literally what they said, your link supports them lol

            Progressive politics is when you just vibe how you feel about things, right?

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              I specifically said he could decriminalize it at the federal level today. He ordered for it to be looked at potentially, but it has not happened, and there is nothing that stops him from ordering it definitively right now.

              The user I responded to specifically said that he already ordered the decriminalization of it.

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                Centrists consider thinking about doing something to be the same as doing it, and become very angry when people expect tangible results.

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        11 months ago

        I’m pretty sure the executive branch can’t unilaterally decriminalize marijuana. And especially not force states to decriminalize it.

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        I get that the FDA could reclassify marijuana, but the real issue i think is that Congress needs to get on the ball and deal with legalizing it . There are laws on the books that have to be dealt with regarding sale and distribution and banking issues.

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          Couldnt that be done after decriminalization. Decrim will stop ruining lives and filling jails in an immediate way. People first, then economics would go a long way.

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            A lot of decriminalization has started with justice department changes. But honestly don’t we want something that will stick and not be taken away as soon as a different party is in charge?

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              11 months ago

              It’s neat watching “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” and “Politics is the art of the possible” become “I don’t want to do it, so nothing is good enough.”

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          The president is in charge of the executive branch, he can decide to decriminalize it overnight and fire any prosecutor that challenges him. Who is going to stop him, conservative judges ruling by decree in Texas? Hahaha.

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            I mean yeah. That’s how it has been working for the last few years. Some conservative lower judge decides to kill an executive order and it works its way to the SCOTUS and they kill it.

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        The marijuana thing is a no brainer. It’s political malpractice they haven’t done anything on that front.

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        Agencies within the executive branch have quite a bit of independence, which is a very good thing, because if they didn’t, Trump would have done vastly more damage than he did.

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        A second Trump term is everything you hate about Biden plus more shit. Biden still the lesser of two evils, you should vote for him.

        But I will say Biden is a fucking moron for doing so many unpopular things late in his term. I guess some of these geriatric Dems would rather punch down on the left than secure democracy against it’s biggest threat in decades. I get the frustration.

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            It’s voting for less evil. And staying home is an extra vote for more evil.

            But I promise, get the frustration. We live in a fucked up system that filters out good candidates.

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              Nope, vote based on your values. If everyone did that, you wouldn’t have to settle for evil.

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                That’s not how American voting works, if everyone voted for who they think is absolute best, the group with the most unity wins, which is exactly why political parties exist.

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                  Yes, Unity. That is what I’m referring to. It just seems voters are only worried about being on the “winning” side and that is their Unity - winning and not what is best for them.

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                A plan that depends on everyone spontaneously deciding to do what you think is best is no plan at all.

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                  I just think that most people would like to have Government out of their wallet and personal lives. If those people all voted for a candidate who wanted the same, then change could happen.

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                    Most people aren’t libertarians.

                    And there’s little to no historical precedent for people spontaneously uniting around a third party candidate. There is, OTOH, precedent for the spoiler effect causing an unpopular candidate to win.

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                  I just think if people would look at what they value, find a matching candidate, vote for said candidate; things would be less of a shits show.

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                    11 months ago

                    Exactly; you don’t understand basic game theory. The options you lay out are not in fact part of the equation. If we’re playing a game in which you have only two choices, opting for a third make-believe alternative is going to result in a losing outcome every time.

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            Voting to express yourself is pure vanity. Vote in a way that will actually influence the outcome in a positive way. If, that is, you want to do something other than feel good about how morally superior you are.

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              It’s not about being morally superior, its about doing the right thing for all of us and to stop being forced into the Lesser of Two Evils.

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                When has your plan ever worked? It’s just the laziest thing you can do and still tell yourself you’re trying to help.

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                  I don’t know if it’s MY plan. Secondly, how would we know, it’s never been tried (as far as I know). Thirdly, not sure how it’s lazy?

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        Who is running third party for folks to rally behind? Moreover, who is running that would somehow overcome both major parties’ candidates by drawing enough away from them to win or in some way effect a change in process?

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          The thing is most people are Third party without knowing it. They’ve just been brainwashed into thinking there are only two options and are solely focused on being on the “winning” side, heavily persuaded into “fear” voting.

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            I would agree with you if we didn’t have a two party majority and FPtT voting. You would also have to have a strong third party candidate that most people are excited about and is not trying to be a spoiler. You also will need to start persuading those you have mentioned who “are third party without knowing it” way before the election. Also getting a majority for a third party in the electoral college.

            I want to be wrong and am willing to be convinced. I am curious how you see third party as an option with or without voting reform and how to persuade people to consider it.

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              I would like to say I’ll take a look, but i won’t. I don’t have the time right now. I did search it and it seems like it has to do with voting in a communist country?

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                He studied Lenin’s notes about voting in Russia before the revolution and compares it to today. I get it. I never get to read half the stuff I’d like to. He also spoke on the Upstream podcast if you have time.

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        Let me know when there’s a third party candidate worth my time. Jill Stein has done nothing to earn my vote, and unless she addresses her anti science remarks, she’ll never get it.

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        Great plan. Everyone just needs to listen to you, and all our problems will go away!

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        Everybody needs to vote for who they honestly think the best candidate is. If that’s Biden, vote Biden. If that’s Jill Stein or Cornel West or whoever the Libertarians are running, then vote for them.

        Vote your hopes, not your fears. Or, as Jill Stein said, “Don’t vote for the lesser evil. Vote for the greater good.”

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          That’s some “When they go low, we go high” bullshit.

          Politics isn’t about falling in love with the perfect candidate. That’s never going to happen – and if it seems like someone is that perfect candidate, it’s a giant red flag.

          Vote for what’s realistic. Vote like an adult. Vote with your head, not your heart.

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          Ah, that would be the Jill Stein who has never tried to run for mayor or congress or governor, the Jill Stein who thinks it’s the presidency or nothing. She has no interest in changing anything. There is no reason to listen to her.