• gastationsushi@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    A second Trump term is everything you hate about Biden plus more shit. Biden still the lesser of two evils, you should vote for him.

    But I will say Biden is a fucking moron for doing so many unpopular things late in his term. I guess some of these geriatric Dems would rather punch down on the left than secure democracy against it’s biggest threat in decades. I get the frustration.

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        11 months ago

        It’s voting for less evil. And staying home is an extra vote for more evil.

        But I promise, get the frustration. We live in a fucked up system that filters out good candidates.

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          Nope, vote based on your values. If everyone did that, you wouldn’t have to settle for evil.

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            11 months ago

            That’s not how American voting works, if everyone voted for who they think is absolute best, the group with the most unity wins, which is exactly why political parties exist.

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              11 months ago

              Yes, Unity. That is what I’m referring to. It just seems voters are only worried about being on the “winning” side and that is their Unity - winning and not what is best for them.

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                  11 months ago

                  Sorry, I’m just saying that if people all voted for a 3rd party candidate that wanted govt out of their pockets and personal life things would be so much better than just voting to win or voting for the lesser of two evils. Does that make sense? Not sure if I’m articulating my thought well enough.

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                    The problem is everyone voting for a third party candidate at the national level is pratically impossible, including the fact that you have to convince people that the candidate is popular enough to even be worth voting for.

                    It’s and endless and unfortunately unavoidable cycle.

                    You vote to win in almost all cases. That’s how US elections work.

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            11 months ago

            A plan that depends on everyone spontaneously deciding to do what you think is best is no plan at all.

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              11 months ago

              I just think that most people would like to have Government out of their wallet and personal lives. If those people all voted for a candidate who wanted the same, then change could happen.

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                Most people aren’t libertarians.

                And there’s little to no historical precedent for people spontaneously uniting around a third party candidate. There is, OTOH, precedent for the spoiler effect causing an unpopular candidate to win.

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              I just think if people would look at what they value, find a matching candidate, vote for said candidate; things would be less of a shits show.

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                11 months ago

                Exactly; you don’t understand basic game theory. The options you lay out are not in fact part of the equation. If we’re playing a game in which you have only two choices, opting for a third make-believe alternative is going to result in a losing outcome every time.

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                  11 months ago

                  I think that the majority of people have a fair moral compass or at least feel that they want less Government meddling in their life?

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                    The fact that Republicans are not winning many elections lately suggests otherwise. Most people want things like social security and medicare. Many of us want a stronger IRS to go after tax fraud. Many more of us want universal healthcare. All of that is government “meddling.”

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        Voting to express yourself is pure vanity. Vote in a way that will actually influence the outcome in a positive way. If, that is, you want to do something other than feel good about how morally superior you are.

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          It’s not about being morally superior, its about doing the right thing for all of us and to stop being forced into the Lesser of Two Evils.

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            11 months ago

            When has your plan ever worked? It’s just the laziest thing you can do and still tell yourself you’re trying to help.

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              11 months ago

              I don’t know if it’s MY plan. Secondly, how would we know, it’s never been tried (as far as I know). Thirdly, not sure how it’s lazy?