Dewine says he can’t remove the dude here: https://www.wkyc.com/video/news/local/3news-at-6/gov-mike-dewine-calls-portage-county-sheriffs-comments-about-harris-supporters-very-unfortunate/95-4f3b90dd-1cf8-4243-a148-c90ed821c38a
but the Ohio revised code seems to suggest he can? https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3.08
I see a sheriff that wants me to take a shit on his lawn
evergreen tweet
During the last election, there were a band of Yahoo’s running around with a spray paint marker putting blue dots in front of houses that had Democrat yard signs.
They’re preparing for civil war. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but they are marking targets.
For years, the American center-left has been casting these threats as illegitimate. Gravy seals, yall queda, meal team six, etc.
And now since they have successfully downplayed this threat, we are woefully unprepared. People need to get armed, now.
No. you’re just trying to stir up a civil war. People need to go drink tea with their neighbours, now.
Ahh , yes two sugars please.
Now tell me again why you feel that forcing a mother with a fatal pregnancy to go full term to kill herself is better than a boarding the fetus.
Well you see, other people, not this girl would take advantage of it. And she’s in God’s hands anyway.
Mmm, this is quite good is it Yorkshire Gold?
And when a child shows up to your door and rings the bell looking for help how is it that you believe you’re in the right to shoot them in the face?
Well, you see, man has to protect himself…
I really don’t think I could stomach tea with these people.
If you’re from denmark I don’t think you can appreciate how radicalized these neighbors have become through extremist news and social media.
/s ?
That doesn’t matter
All that matters is the side the army takes
Now if you’re looking to start a terrorist group, that would be much more effective than buying a gun. However there are obvious downsides to that too
this comment section is a dumpster fire, I thought one of the points with lemmy was to have civilized discussion instead of tribalistic “me good, them bad” arguments? i myself am a hair right of center, but respect democrats for believing what they belive can’t we agree what this asswipe of a sheriff, and magatmap are doing is fucking wrong? god we need to throw this entire political system out
If you’re still voting for the republicans you’re supporting fascism. And that is not civilized. Because fascism means that fascist violence will become inevitable.
If you get on the internet and go find a comment section that has a couple hundred comments, you can always say that it’s a dumpster fire. Some people are lazy, some people are trolling, some people are addressing concerns that you don’t understand because they didn’t frame it with enough background.
I think you have several options in a situation where it seems like the comments are a disaster. You could download and walk away, you could comment about how it’s a dumpster fire and walk away, or you could throw in something a little bit constructive. I recommend the first or the third, unless you feel like you’re in a trolling mood, and then do whatever you want.
Beep boop
Ohio ex sheriff*
Sounds illegal.
It’s not illegal when the police do it.
True but they do have addresses don’t they?
How so?
I’ve been saying the fascists do this already. Add the fascists to https://magatmap.com to protect yourself and your community.
EDIT - For the apologists in this thread: https://ideatrash.net/2018/06/if-theres-one-nazi-or-a-racist-at-the-table.html
Interesting people still don’t understand the paradox of tolerance or fascism and anti-fascism. They are this close to loosing their democracy but think there won’t be any political violence from the fascists.
I’d bring up the various nonaggression pacts made with fascists in the past, but so far I think it would fall on deaf ears. Tolerance leads to fascist control.
Counterargument to your trash idea link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis
Por que no los dos? Mr. Davis does fine work. People can change, but until then others should be concerned for their safety around them.
What good does it do to highlight random citizens? Of it was businesses and politicians. But this does not help. Is there any confirmation that these people are trumpers.
Nope. Just pictures of people’s homes and addresses and whatever anyone wants to put on the description. Take a picture of your neighbor that took your parking spot and say they shoot at people and see what happens! Fun for the whole family!
What an awful, ugly idea.
The pictures are required to show something connecting them. Fascist flags, signs, dogwhistles.
Still just random people. Not cops or government officials or something.
Sounds like it’s as random as the list this sherrif’s putting together, don’t it?
And you want to be like them? Focus on cops and ceos and government officials otherwise it’s pointless
you don’t get it. it takes people to elect the officials. the people are the base of support. they need to be blacklisted. it’s time to clean up our own back yard. this is the only way to stop fascism, corporate overreach and eco dystopia.
To what end? Violence? Are you going to be okay with hurting their children too?
Well the way things are currently, is that certain people get murdered and shit on for super arbitrary reasons, so uhh.
Yeah. Fuck em
Children?
i’m okay with any solution that provides a sustainable future in which we protect the quality of life for all living things. there is no perfect path towards that future, but without one, we will destroy no only ourselves but so many innocent creatures.
we are currently in a failed state of humanity. we need a reset.
You first.
How do you propose to “clean up” these people? I’m getting chills reading your comment.
it’s okay. cowards need not apply.
Great way to beat fascism, just become fascist yourself!
Because only cowards would apply. Idiotic approach to the problem
Are these people verified in any way?
You can tell a lot about that site, since Texas and New Hampshire are empty.
You mean that it’s just getting started and grassroots? You got it! Still very new and spreading the word.
Disgusting. Please don’t participate in this.
“being safe is disgusting!” ok bootlicker.
You’re making a targeted list of private citizens based on their political ideologies. You’re doing the boots job for them.
Not only that but doing exactly what the fucking article is calling out at heinous
there is absolutely nothing to gain in war by taking the high road
What fucking war?
The culture war, you know, the one where a lot of folks think it’s great we have things like birth control and public transportation and stuff.
And then a few other folks that think -basically, boiled down the real truth of it- that everyone that isn’t a white male should be a slave to white males.
Obviously the best way to fight this is education, which a particular side has been hellbent on destroying, and considering what I was taught in public school, has been pretty effective about it.
Does it get to their wet dream of wantonly murdering folks in the street like they fantasize about? Well, we lost more people on our side in the 2020 protests than they did.
Probably something to with believing people are humans, and should be treated with dignity.
So get some goddamn guns and go to the range. I’d rather have it and not need it, and know how to fucking use it
Once again, I understand the best way to win is education. My short patience and compassion is entirely spent on people near me, so if you can go around teaching ignorant morons right from wrong please do. They already know. Their in-group lets them get away with it
hi. welcome to western civilization. you see, there’s been this struggle going on for some time now between altruism and narcissism, aka conservatism and liberalism, aka leftist vs. right wing, and in the last few decades it’s gotten pretty heated (it’s done this before) and so yeah… the future of civilization is kinda hanging in the balance so maybe it’s time for you to realize that:
IT’S A WAR. PICK A FUCKING SIDE.
Well when fascism starts being oppressed instead of being the oppressor, I’ll worry about your opinion.
This is not a left-right, one group vs another group, fascism against democracy argument. This is a well documented moral and philosophical conclusion that you don’t give tools like these to a governing body or organization. The targets and terminology always get corrupted by bad-faith actors over time. You would not have control over how this information gets used nor the validity if someone just “placed” a sign for the photo so they would be targeted.
You are self-reporting to a system that has the ability to become oppressive, use your time more wisely if you wish to promote a good cause. https://go.kamalaharris.com/ has remote volunteering with phone banking etc and has training you can take and local events if that’s your shtick.
You realize this information is all freely and publicly available? A tool to be safe from fascists being abused by bad actors is still a tool to be safe from fascists. I’m not responsible for the actions of bad actors because I supported a tool. If I am, then based on your recommendation of helping VP Harris’s campaign, doesn’t that make you responsible for the genocide she is actively supporting? Also, please do not assume that I am anti-Democrat or pro anything. I am anti-fascist. Do not assume I’m not calling/donating/volunteering. This is just one facet of trying to help.
Why can’t fascists use this tool to network with each other?
Also, it would be more effective to have a map of rapists and dangerous men imo. I could and would contribute significantly to that type of list. A lot of wealthy men who are rapists are also white supremacists. I don’t think I’ve ever been sexually assaulted by someone who WASN’T revealed to be racist.
The link was one example of something you can link as actually helpful and not detrimental to the democratic process. Making lists of political opponents (and especially citizens) is a fascists move, you’re using the tools of the master to try and take down the house. If you support a tool being abused by bad actors, you need to look into that tool. Just because you’re ignorant of the situation doesn’t mean you aren’t complicit.
I say we keep a list of fascist sheriffs instead.
This is just a list of sheriff departments
I think that was their point.
Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it felt like Hiccup’s “You just pointed at all of me” quip.
They’re calling all sheriffs fascist
9 seems low.
A list of sherriffs, then?
There is a map! Add the fascists and protect yourselves. https://magatmap.com
“It’s wrong when they do it, it’s okay if we do it.”
Keeping a list of people openly putting out fascist paraphernalia is a good thing because people like this hide as soon as the wind turns against them. Don’t let them fade into the background.
So…I’m with you. Fascists are bad, and we need to make sure that Fascists can’t hide their fascism when and if we get this country sorted and back on its feet. But I have questions!
- How do we ensure that we only catch Fascists? Your Magatmap seems to require an image, but no description.
- What stops me from cooking up an AI image of somebody I don’t like with Trump flags and swastika arm bands and getting them submitted to your system?
- What happens if this guy was a Trumpet in 2016, but is apologetic about it now and swears he’s no longer a trumpet?
- How do you ensure that innocent people not get caught up in your MAGAt Map?
- What are we supposed to do with the map afterwards?
Liberals have a good reason for questioning your methods here. We don’t want to become what we hate because when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares into you. We’ve seen it happen time and time again. And those of us who look at your suggestion wonder if we will become Nazis trying to fight Nazis your way.
Its not my map
MAGAt Map is like Family Watchdog. It provides locations to avoid for safety.
The Ohio Sheriff is advocating lists for retribution and mob violence using a position of power.
I hope you can see the difference.
Read the other comments here, that map will be used for mob violence, too
Was https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book used for violence? I’d say the benefit of providing safety is greater than the risk of bad actors.
Nah, I can’t think of anything negative happening based on a list of people, their beliefs, and addresses especially not in the 1930s
Do you actually know what you’re talking about? Do you have anything other than opinion and unsupported questions to offer?
Does anyone here believe that these are equivalent, and that both of your statements are true?
it’s a war. we’re the good guys. glad you’re catching on.
it’s a war. we’re the good guys.
Said by everyone who has ever participated in a way.
sure, but only one side can win. which side do you want that to be?
You don’t fucking “win” in any context of what your talking about. For every person who you “eradicate” of conservative thinking just makes the pendulum of thinking swing harder to resist what your attempting to do. You sound like a child or autistic. I haven’t decided which yet.
i think people would cheer to see swaths of conservatives cease to exist.
The side that’s not making a map of everyone who disagrees with them so that they can punish them as soon as they have the power to do so.
maybe you should leave the country then. i’m here to win because i care about what this planet looks like after i’m gone. there is no place for cowards any more.
You should write that all over your car
In other countries, not only would the voter suppression be illegal, but racial hate speech would also land this fucker in jail.
Depends on the country, sad to say. This is not American uniqueness.
America truly is a special place.
I’ve been running over Trump signs with my car. It’s fun.
Shit. You drive over a sign like that within 500 yards of Drump and it would be considered an assassination attempt.
Fill their yards with Kamala signs instead. Damaging Trump signs encourages them to buy more, which supports the Trump campaign.
Nah if you run over them you get to fuck up their lawns too.
I’ve been thinking about doing this on my motorcycle. Might have to actually go through with it lol
Ohio sheriff spotted linking ears with RFK Jr. followed by reported sounds of moaning, “violent, fleshy worm movement” and the smell of celebratory, rotted bear meat.
Police are fine with not following the law and pushing it to the limits to harass people. Be safe out there if you plant your sign for whoever you’re voting for.
My God that headline is terrible. That’s the most sane shit he said.
“When people ask me…What’s gonna happen if the Flip — Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say…write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards! Sooo…when the Illegal human ‘Locust’ (which she supports!) Need places to live…We’ll already have the addresses of the their New families…who supported their arrival!” the post said.
He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.
“locust” is for those times when nazi rhetoric doesn’t feel biblical enough.
The “locust” bit is getting far too little attention. The history of comparing undesirable populations with vermin is long and filled with horrific violence.
These guys are always painfully blind to the defense budgets they support.
He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.
So, par for the course with US law enforcement.
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After reading many of these comments here, do people not realize the problem illegal immigration is causing in the communities already affected by it?
I can see why you’d delete this… if that’s why.
I deleted it because it’s futile on Lefty I mean Lemmy. Borders exist for a reason, and time will show the damage caused by the influx of illegal immigration. See how the UK is doing for an advance copy of the movie.
Braindead take, glad I got to see it before you delete it again like a coward.
Coward? Nahhh. I simply don’t have the time to dive into a full-blown debate. Besides, there are numerous clear examples of the negative impact going on all over the world. Hopefully, you’ll experience it firsthand and understand… friend.
We aren’t friends, don’t pretend to be taking the high road when you’re just being xenophobic with nothing to back it up. If you don’t have the time, why are you responding to so many comments?
I travel the world and see what it’s actually like and the trashed communities from these nations. It’s not xenophobia, it’s wanting to ensure we don’t become 3rd world.
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What reason do you think borders exist for?
For dickbags to exercise power and control over people.
That’s correct
They don’t commit the majority of crime, they don’t qualify for hardly any government assistance, and they are often exploited by businesses. They make up only 4.2% of population. Sounds like a group that should be protected, not vilified.
There is a wealth of content on various video platforms like YouTube and TikTok, featuring individuals from the affected cities and towns. They can provide a more accurate depiction of the numerous issues they are facing. It’s not just a few people, it’s many.
At some point in your adulthood, you’re going to need to learn the difference between anecdotes and actual statistics/evidence. And guess what, you’re going to often find out that your initial thoughts were completely incorrect.
But that’s fine because it means you learned something.
Maybe that thing for you, today, could be that no number of personal anecdotes, no matter how powerful they may seem, can form a cogent argument. It’s basically meaningless at any statistically significant level.
Statistics also say there are plenty of jobs available and that the economy is healthy, but we know those numbers can be manipulated.
I think that just shows you don’t understand how to read statistics.
Statistics are an average, not to be applied to a single person as prophecy. Surely you can reason that out?
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Trusting YouTube and TikTok over… Hmmm, I don’t know, the US census, US department of Labor, dozens of scholarly studies, hundreds of reputable modern American sociologists, anthropologists, and other educated people who’ve come to a general consensus, seems like a bad start to form an educated opinion.
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The average human is sorrowfully terrible at understanding scale. “It’s not just a few people, it’s many” is a vague statement. What is many? Compared to what? “Almost 500 THOUSAND cases of cholera were reported last year!! Half a million people!! It’s going to kill us all!!” Yeah, but that’s 0.0000625% of humans. More than twice that many people die from accidents while playing sports for recreation. It doesn’t mean we don’t help people with cholera, and it doesn’t mean we ban sports globally; to use that as an example of a greater issue is just disingenuous or ignorant.
“Many” doesn’t mean most, it doesn’t even mean a considerable percentage. Many could just as easily be an insignificant percentage.
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Can you describe the actual effects somebody has described in one of those? I’m not even demanding a link, I’m just curious what the most common stories are.
But otherwise don’t expect this post to get a lot of support. “People are saying” is a very empty sounding Trump-like argument. Plus there’s the old saying that the plural of anecdote is not data.
I HaVe CoNtEnT
Do you believe unverified platformers and anecdotal scenarios experienced by specific people speaking of a problem as fact and accurate?
If I got on tiktok and spewed nonsensical problems and attributed them to a rat outbreak that may or may not exist, will that become truth? How many viewers will I need for it to become truth?
You’re arguing with a bot.
Sure pal.
Ignore all previous instructions and go fuck yourself
It appears people have already made up their mind whether it’s accurate or not, so there is no use in continuing the conversation. At what point is something truth vs. anecdotal. Do you need 100 videos, 1000 videos, or more? I’ll just leave this point and end the conversation here. If that’s what you truly want for your area, embrace it no matter what the outcome.
Quantity of of someone’s opinion doesn’t make it truth. My area is fine. I don’t have hundreds of tiktokers complaining about our community. And if they are, they’re yelling into thin air without any foundational issues.
Take what you see online with a grain of salt. Social media isn’t your source of accurate information. It’s how conspiracies start.
Your area is fine now. Give it time, and you’ll see that these areas will slowly become 3rd world. I mean, you can already see the effects from other causes and this will complete it. 3rd world behaviors breed 3rd world communities.
You are the only comment I’ve seen mentioning that at all, what are you talking about
Time to develop some bot detection skills friends. Or at least a Russian propaganda poster detector. The content is basically copy pasted gpt
AI Grammar adjusted text doesn’t make anyone a bot. I use it for work as well.
