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Aid workers fear a new disaster as militia forces close in on a major Darfur city.
On a sunny April afternoon in 2006, thousands of people flocked to the National Mall in Washington, D.C., for a rally with celebrities, Olympic athletes, and rising political stars. Their cause: garner international support to halt a genocide in Sudan’s Darfur region.
“If we care, the world will care. If we act, then the world will follow,” Barack Obama, then the junior Illinois senator, told the crowd, speaking alongside future House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That same week, then-Sen. Joe Biden introduced a bill in Congress calling on NATO to intervene to halt the genocide in Sudan. “We need to take action on both a military and diplomatic front to end the conflict,” he said.
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I mean, they’re ignoring the one in Palestine and the one in China, and even taking sides against Ukraine, so how is this any different?
Palestine seems like 60% of what I hear about in national news and on Lemmy. Ukraine, though, no so much. People can’t use it to talk shit about Biden, after all.
The Kremlin is pumping social media full of anti-Biden propaganda, using Israel’s genocide as a wedge to split the Democratic vote so they can get Trump elected again.
Yes, 100% agree. No coincidence Netanyahu is a far right fascist and would prefer Trump himself.
Yes, people act like they’re going to piss off Israel’s government by not voting for Biden. Bibi says thank you.
Why won’t anyone think of the real victims, American liberals!
If they succeed, Palestine and Sudan and Ukraine will be every bit as fucked, but so will America with all its money and rockets.
Or, you know, peace protesters…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/27/trump-donors-israel-gaza-palestinian-protests
that snark is not going to sound so great when abortion is banned and Israel annexes Palestine with trump’s blessing. And the best part: you won’t even be able to protest anything!!
People can’t use it to talk shit about Biden, after all.
No. The Kremlin and Trumpers are using it to single out Biden so people will forget them and trade Bad for Much Worse.
ignoring the one in Palestine
???
It’s impossible to go on any social media without hearing about it.
But no one is stopping it, so they’re ignoring it
The United Nations has been reporting the famine and war crimes in Sudan for decades.
I hate to say it but it’s been going on for too long, most people don’t care anymore. New conflicts have taken the spotlight.
Doesn’t really explain it, I mean the underlying Palestine/Israel thing has been going on for decades too.
The current Sudanese Civil War has only been going on for 6 months longer than the current Israel vs Gaza hostilities.
Thats an easy one, America isn’t openly funding the side committing genocide and threatening to liberate anyone who doesn’t like what they do back into the stone age, in Sudan.
Its really not hard to see, if you’re prepared to see it.
Definitely. The US isn’t likely to like either side given one of them is tight with Iran and the other one has dealings with Russian mercenaries.
The Israel/Palestine thing has been going on for thousands of years, lol. Literally.
Israel didnt exist for about 1900 out of the last 2000 years…
No one here has been hearing about it in the news for hundreds of years tho (unless some of you are undead/vampires).
Arguably the roots of the Sudan conflict go back to the 1300s.
But in both cases the modern nation-state conflicts kicked off after the colonization of the 19th centuries, and in both cases most of us have been aware of it for decades.
and in both cases most of us have been aware of it for decades.
As an American, I can tell you that is not at all true about Sudan here, sadly.
Is it naive of me to think American news must have at least reported on the international intervention into the 2004-2005 genocide?
And the separation of Sudan into two countries in 2011? Those were both pretty big; I thought that would be why the person above was calling this an old conflict.
I think it was more reported in News, not news. Actual News has been getting harder and harder to find as “news” providers shift toward entertainment or outrage. If it doesn’t drive clicks, it’s not worth the cost. Not many people go far out of their way to find actual News
It reported on it sparingly and not with enough detail to make it clear about the history of the region. And it certainly hasn’t been in the news since, so it’s out of the national consciousness at this point. Many people alive today were too young to even remember that genocide. I was in my late twenties and I’m not young.
US news absolutely did but all i remember is that early YouTuber who made sweet hiphop remixes of Bush speeches
Boston Legal did an episode about in 2005, as a non-American that’s all I know about the media coverage in the US. But that should have been seen by at least 2 million people. Plus reruns.
The honest answer is that I can only care about so many ongoing genocides at once before I go numb towards it. And I am more invested in the one happening two countries over. And the absurdly cynical one committed by a people who had plenty of genocides happen against them over the course of history.
How many concurrent genocides do we have going on right now in the world? Like four? Five? I’m not sure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts plus whatever is happening in Xinjiang.
Not all armed conflicts are genocides.
Indeed, but normally you need a suspension of normal life like a war to make a genocide possible, so it is more useful to look at this very comprehensive list to be aware of potential or ongoing genocides than wait for one to have been officially confirmed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides find one that isn’t associated with a war.
@victorz - The “fast”/ big obvious ones are Darfur and Gaza, but there’s also probably Oromia, slow genocide in West Papua, Western Sahara, Xinjiang, and I think Nagorny-Karabakh and Tigray could start up again at some point. There is obviously a genocidal component to the Tatmadaw’s activities in Myanmar but right now they seem to be getting their asses kicked by the alliance which includes ethnic minority armies.
Then there are the more obscure genocides that are mostly only mentioned outside western and english-language news media, for example the ongoing slow genocide of the Baloch people in the Balochistan region.
Sorry, Ill go fix it now that you’ve brought it to my attention.
No Jira ticket, no fixy.
This is literally the first time I’m hearing about it
Looming? Sudan is past the looming stage. When do known verified atrocities reach “current reality” status?
shouldn’t that be “why is the world ignoring a looming genocide in sudan again?”
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Hmm yes, like the Arab Spring or Apartheid or the Rwandan genocide, definitely unknown.
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There’s a major difference between something being unknown, and people being ill-informed.
In the US at least, our policy today doesn’t affect this genocide. Outside of Sudan, the important parties are Egypt, the UAE, and factions in Libya. Whereas in Palestine US missiles and funding to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars are directly involved, US policy today does not affect Sudan materially.
Still though, the UN and other international organs are documenting and attempting to aid. It’s just not disputed by far right fucks in our government.
We can’t even handle the genocides we have now. Someone wants another? Ffs.
Could it be our weakness to act that is encouraging more genocides?
Yeah probably. But what do we do? “Vote?” “Protest?” That’s just thoughts and prayers. We have very little control over our governments in the short term and no control of—or right to control—another country. What is there?
Agitate, educate, organize. Vote, protest, unionize, build political coalitions, support local progressive politicians, etc. We need to do everything, and anything helps. We, the people, have all the power. To use it, we need to act collectively.
That sounds great for making your own country better. But how do we influence 100 or more countries in the next 30 days to condemn Israel, and any other country engaging in genocide?
Answering that question honestly would violate the rules of the instance hosting this community.
I hear you. 👍
Pulls out Peter Griffin skin tone threat chart
tbf they didn’t care about the bosnian genocide either
They should update that meme with a list of money sources
I mean, who is “they” in this case? NATO took an offensive action, potentially their only one in history, to disarm the Serbs and stop the genocidal side. It certainly wasn’t ignored. Kosovo exists because of NATO involvement, and they’ve named streets and erected statues to that end even.
I think my workmate was in Bosnia as a peacekeeper. I may have the wrong Bosnian conflict, though.
After most of the killing/dying was over the UN did send peace keepers, but even then they stayed away from areas were ethnic cleansing was still going on.
Same issue as now, a democrat was involved so it was ok to ignore.
Could you elaborate? This was the only conflict I think where NATO took action outside of Article 5. The Democrat president in question here supported attacking the people committing genocide, so I’m not sure what your point is.
Get in line behind Palestine and the Uyghurs so we can ignore you too!
Myanmar?
Don’t forget Yemen. I know, it’s a measly 350 000 dead so far, which apparently rate much less than Israel-Palestine conflict losses.
It isn’t trendy and I don’t get to cosplay like I care about it.
Some people put their politics ahead of genocide. They’ll deny it’s a genocide if it doesn’t fit their agenda. They’ll take an absolute stance if it does fit their agenda.
It’s a tale as old as time. Chomsky is a very good example of this.
Didn’t he come out pro-Russian?
Ironically, pro imperialist even. He holds the position that Ukraine should’ve stayed a buffer for Russia, instead of acknowledging that Ukraine is its own sovereign country that gets to choose its own destiny.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain I guess.
Who’s going to recognize the Darfur flag when I put it in my Facebook profile?
Sudan isn’t popular because it’s difficult to tie either side of the conflict to a specific political party. No one gets too many political points for speaking for/against.
There is oil.
Yeah, but gas prices are currently considered reasonable and tying those to politics is also a bit unfavorable now since everyone blamed the president when they were extra high but then it actually went back down and then no one knew what to do.
