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the peasantry, the proletariat, the petite bourgeoisie and the national bourgeoisie

Almost inconceivable that this alliance could exist and it would support socialism. Turns out the material conditions in the global south are radically different from those in the imperial core.

Libs not understanding what socialism is, while frustrating, is such a boon to our efforts worldwide because they cannot effectively combat them without knowing how they work.

I think they are more minimal, but I don’t see them mentioned in discussion of microkernels.

Completely agreed.

I just don’t think what we do in the present should be dominated by the possibility of developing AGI in 50 years

I agree, but I think that the ecosystem that AGI develops within decades from now will develop from the ecosystem that is currently developing LLMs and genAI. All the same components are required.

While super intelligence is far off in the future, but the reasoning systems and architectures required for it will be developed in the coming decades, of which the intermediate lesser intelligent systems will provide capabilities that accelerate the development of improved intelligent systems.

It will be necessary for China or some other AES state to be ahead of bourgeois entities long before AGI can meaningfully iterate upon itself or gains can provide compounding results.

Similarly to the USSR developing nuclear weapons shortly after the US prevented the US from using them for heinous acts to enforce their hegemony, China must do the same with AI, but even earlier given how willing the US will be to deploy these systems without carrying the immediate backlash of vaporizing millions of people.

Definitely a better design. Are the BSDs microkernels? I am quite unfamiliar with the architecture of BSD kernels. I have only interacted with userspace BSD software and their manpages.

This is one of the core reasons I have come to the belief that using Chinese platforms will serve us better than using western FOSS projects like the fediverse.

The response to the fediverse has been to coopt, and the response to tiktok has been to outright ban, which clearly implies bourgeois entities believe the former can be used to serve their interests and the latter cannot.

It is clear they feel that Chinese platforms are more resilient to their operations than homegrown open source ones, evidenced by the fact that they can trivially deploy LLM bots to any server or spin up their own.

Thank you for this info. Lots of great launch points for looking deeper into this.

my point is that we have always been playing catch up and these tools allow us to catch up significantly as well. These tools raise our capability floor to heights that were not possible before.

Observation of the development of FOSS ecosystems seems to back this up and does give me some hope for the state of technology to build alternatives to capitalist run software.

We do have our own asymmetries like not having the profitability requirement and being able to onboard developers without the barriers the constraints of employment impose.

I did a whole bunch of research on this as I thought it would be a fun challenge to build one, I wanted to make it OSS, but I decided against it after I generally thought about what “success” would look like, I was basically thinking of building a turnkey internet nuke.

Curious about this if you can expand upon it without doxxing yourself.

Not sure if I am making the correct inference of what you are hinting at, but my initial thoughts are that something that creates a broad distrust of social media would result in a better world than a world where pre-existing comrades are the only people who have that distrust with no way of breaking through the astroturfed counter narratives.

Given FOSS bros tendency towards liberalism and reactionary ideology, open source would probably be a bad way to deploy something like this. If I had an implementation of “a turnkey internet nuke”, I’d be booking a flight to Beijing before releasing it on the open internet…or at least minimally build a cadre of capable comrades I could trust to use it responsibly.

he rise of macine learning and LLM usage aren’t a concrete step towards AGI.

Agreed entirely with LLMs. However, creating and deploying LLMs and ML will broadly create the conditions required to be able to bring about AGI. Developing an educated tech workforce, ML domain expertise, and chip manufacturing is a necessary step and one that doing LLM and genAI bullshit helps accomplish.

ML is broad enough to include the same architecture biological brains operate on simulated on silicon, so while pedantic 🤓, it is likely a significant step towards general intelligence.

Yeah, LLMs suck ass, but they need not be intelligent to yield extreme influence capabilities. The average person won’t notice a person in a crowd that has 8 fingers on each hand, nor will they care so long as it supports their preferred narrative.

I’m not a bazinga that believes we (or China) will LLM our way into a utopia in a decade or two. LLMs will not become intelligent.

However, I believe AGI is inevitable, will provide a massive first mover advantage, and will enable capabilities for those who wield it to subjugate those who don’t. That means it is imperative that proletarian forces wield it before capitalists do.

Be for real lol. You’re posting on one of the only places on the internet that isn’t completely owned by the bourgeoisie. Your reach is already limited by segregating yourself on this site. Pretending that posting on “the internet” (e.g. the biggest sites) which is mostly controlled by gigantic bourgeoisie interests and petite bourgeoisie interests is a purely proletarian act is silly. In practice “freedom to post” is ancillary to feeding you advertising. You are playing in their sandbox and have always been.

I knew my comment would inevitably get this response.

Reaffirming that I do not believe that posting is praxis. With regard to bourgeois owned platforms, it is without question any serious revolutionary discussion that cannot be coopted will get squashed. Occasionally they fail to control the narrative, and the limited opportunities we have to sneak in counter narratives are more easily squashed with deployments of large scale LLM opposition. Obviously we should have no confidence of using their platforms to counter their interests to any effect besides finding like-minded people and taking interactions off their platforms.

What makes LLMs different from existing tools available to bourgeois platforms is the ability to extend into public spaces they do not directly control like the fediverse or BBS forums and image boards.

The inherent contradictions in capitalism make it effectively impossible for this technology to be really gate kept from proles over time without a literal crackdown on ownership or development.

Gatekeeping is not required, especially not preventing the purchase of GPUs.

But even taking account purchasing, corpos and NED orgs can benefit from economies of scale, whereas people going to Amazon or Best Buy will be limited to a handful of units at a time. This is the least significant limitation we face.

The asymmetry is not just the accumulation of GPUs, but also other resources like IP addresses and uniformity of deployment. Individual proles or small orgs will not be able to launch campaigns similar to how a NED funded org, tech PR team, or other multinational corporation. Our IPs and accounts will be blocked, theirs whitelisted. Our efforts will be disparate and unable to react to real-time information like sentiment analysis, theirs will. Any three letter org can probably go to Facebook or Google and be handed hundreds of thousands of real looking, aged accounts.

Per GPU, they will be able to spew more LLM bullshit than us given, even on our own platforms, because they have organizational advantages.

It becomes necessary for proles to find a tactic that allows them to make the equivalent of a Hamas piss rocket or a Quds drone, something that is incredibly cheap but because of the capitalist state of the world requires a wasteful amount money to defend against.

Strongly agree that something like this is needed. However, what enables the asymmetry here is a limitation on material resources and labor. No such limitation exists with digital systems that cannot be trivially copied and deployed by bourgeois interests.

Only idea I have for something like this is a system that requires user verification by existing members, possibly gatekept by irl meetings and capped at some rate per user. Few people use the fediverse because of tiny barriers to entry. No one would tolerate a system that imposes more burdens.

DDoS prevention solutions are probably capable of thwarting most technological solutions we can come up with to create our own asymmetries.

The type of software that major botnets/intelligence services/ad companies specializing in guerilla advertising was is called a Persona Management Systems.

Do you have any specific knowledge on the characteristics, capabilities, or implementation of these? I would be very interested in learning more.

Felony for five eggs containing a combined 7 grams of weed.

Taxpayers paying $65,000+ a year for several years to jail a guy giving away a substance legally available to purchase a few hundred km away…for at most 20 people-hours of stoned time.

I refuse to believe ET doesn’t use radio for something though

If ET consists of individuals operating in a society and have competing interests between individuals, they will probably need encryption, secrecy, and tampering resistence. If they need that, the best transmission mechanism will use quantum entanglement instead of radio waves. So radio transmissions are probably a short blip in technological development if used at all.

Think if we discovered fiber optic cables and Wi-Fi before AM/FM radio transmission, we may never use radio for long range transmission. Especially likely if the planet’s gravity is too strong for rocketry to develop first to place satellites in orbit.

Even so, our radio bubble is tiny, and EM waves lose power quickly enough that we have little ability to detect most of them, especially lower energy waves. The chances of us noticing a 200 year blip matching a civilization’s technological development through the EM noise of the rest of the universe is extremely slim.

I think radio waves are more likely to be specific to our technological development than evidence our universe is nearly devoid of civilizations.

Yes, but as far as I know, it isn’t actually deployed anywhere, just researchers testing the viability.

Because if you do that your bubble will get smaller and smaller.

For some of us, this bubble is the only place their identity isn’t under constant attack.

Bigots and liberal ideas exist everywhere. We won’t miss anything by excluding them.

Creating a total commie bubble within a liberal society would take so much fucking effort that suggesting that blocking safe havens for bigotry prevents us from seeing important ideas is actually hilarious.

Sounds like the supreme court ruling is just the thin veil needed to justify doing what they wanted to do anyway.

Defederation is the choice that prevents the mod team from having to do a lot more moderating.

Sure, it is the most “extreme” option out of what a federated server can do, but anyone who really wants to participate in conversations with Hexbear can join any other Lemmy server that federates with us. Anyone who really wants to see or interact with our content will be able to.

So really it is us deciding the reach of federating with that server is worth less that the expected moderation effort. Not very extreme IMO.

The hope of getting a Chinese visa is the only thing keeping me going at this point.

Forking is what you do when you take an open source project and create a new parallel version that implements some behavior you want.

Usually you try to merge your changes into the original project, but if they won’t accept them, you create a fork of the project.

This is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.

This came off as far more hostile and insulting than I intended. Sorry for being a dick.

The human cost of WWIII is even more bleak than the west being lost to neoliberal capitalism forever.

Building dual power is probably the only way to circumvent this, which would necessarily include communication systems. Given that the fediverse is completely vulnerable to LLM spam bots, I don’t think we have the means to implement this via anything that exists now.

Chicken and egg problem with needing to reach people to stir development or get people off proprietary comms systems. I don’t think western left has the juice to do anything required for revolution, and we probably have the deck stacked against our success than most revolutions that have failed.

i’d say “normies stop using the internet” is less out there than the white western left doing a revolution.

You fail to account for the possibility that the white western left does the stupidest revolution imaginable. Doubtful, but a revolution that doesn’t completely threaten bourgeois interests could succeed. Maybe then the conditions could be met for our October revolution.

In reality, neither of these will happen. Only way either of these happen within our lifetimes is if a civil war destroys enough of modern internet infrastructure.

Our only hope is China maintaining course and leading in artificial intelligence.

IMO capitalism in the west cannot fall before the fall of bourgeois owned social media and big tech, so we are probably doomed forever.

But the future for the global south and AES is bright.

The only upside to the US trying to instigate a war in Taiwan is that if China or the US bombs TSMC, all of this becomes immediately financially infeasible.

This is the only way capitalism will fall in the imperial core, unless we wait decades for China to massively outpace our AI development, completely change their foreign policy, and deploy better LLMs in the west pushing revolutionary counter narratives.