Watch Jim Browning’s videos where he goes in depth in to the lives of some scammers.
Some are educated and happy with a wife and kids. Some managers are make $7,000 USD a month. You can see security footage where they are having fun and doing drugs.
I’m sure people get in to debt and they have to work but I don’t think most of the low caste people have enough experience to have conversational skills in English.
From the what I can tell, these people that are working in these scam centers are just human trash that think they deserve to still money from people better off than them.
Its like anything else, you hide the bad and sell people on the good. Or if there is no good you talk as little as possible. Could they guess its a scam job beforehand? Probably, but they have to see an opportunity through and by the time they know for sure they are comfortable in their job.
People are acting like America has no scam companies. They are literally in every city, I almost worked for one when I was younger. MLMs are the most common example people would know about.
Up until about a month and a half ago fraud and wire fraud especially were felonies in America. Expect them to get worse.
By introducing gambling as a cause for debt anon can confidently assign blame, and remain an enlightened racist. That’s how it usually goes down.
Most of that greentext is bullshit. The truth is that some people will always try to make a quick buck, even at the expense of others.
Turns out there are two kinds now, trafficked Chinese mafia slaves and Indian men looking to make 20k/year.
Apparently people think its contradictory for a person to try to make a quick buck gambling, fail, and then try to make a quick buck scamming people.
this is the first post I see mentioning this. gambling debt is the driver for all kinds of criminal activity in these countries. men will get drunk and gamble their motorbike, their fucking house, their parents house. they burn money as an offering, hoping their dead ancestors will show them more clues about lucky numbers.
loan sharks will call their place of work and harass them, threaten their wife and children. the guy will steal from his family members, maybe gamble some more hoping to have better luck. they have a dream about a goat turning to the left and stamping its foot a certain number of times and then turning to the right and taking a shit.
this is completely normal. it’s culturally accepted. so many of these guys are completely fucked, and have completely screwed over their wives and their parents and their brother’s families.
the other thing that gets them into trouble are blatant cheesy scams that no american would fall for unless they were like 90 years old with dementia. the level of effort required to lure these people is unbelievably low. they send a little bit of money to the scammer and then they send more and then more and the scammer just eventually bleeds them dry. pyramid schemes and shit like that. they borrow money from the friends in order to get their money out, and then their friends money is gone too. and of course his friend lent him money, because friends in these countries always lend each other money. everyone is lending money to everyone else.
my family members that live here are being scammed constantly. my mother-in-law has fallen for scams on facebook multiple times this year. she is spending retirement money on scams. it’s like they’ve got a scam budget. money is switching hands between family members and then flowing out into scams. “hey look at this I think you should try it” and then the scammer has multiple people in the same family sending money.
they didn’t really have the internet until just a few decades ago. other cultures grew out of this shit, but these guys have no idea. they’re extremely vulnerable. I think multiple generations need to pass before the population has any immunity to this sort of thing.
Kind of reminds me of a story my brother told of some country in Africa. He was friendly with some kids on the street and showed them how to set up an email address. So one day they came excitedly up to him and told him that they met someone and that they would be rich. Of course he immediately clocked the familiar scam.
He explained the whole situation by telling them that the internet was like the street. Don’t trust anyone. That was an analogy they got pretty quickly.
Yeah, I don’t understand this either. If someone offered me to make me rich by paying him 10 bucks on the street, I’d tell him to fuck off and evaluate my chances in a fight and/or escape route. But as soon as a computer is involved, some people’s brain shuts off or something.
But as soon as a computer is involved, some people’s brain shuts off or something.
Well, you see, according to some mythology, the internet is the place of all ideas; thus it is compared to Platon’s notion of “heaven”.
Now, people have been told for generations that “heaven is a good place”, and since the internet approximates heaven, people trust it way too much.
We’re still great apes
Doesn’t sound very great to me
Have you seen lemurs and stuff? They’re tiny.
it’s all Facebook and phone from what I’ve observed. but it’s the same shit. and the schemes are not complicated. invest your money here and see it double in a week. invest more to earn more. they let people withdraw a little bit to earn trust, and when they’ve got a shitload of money they ghost.
there are fake businesses everywhere too. send money for some product or service and get nothing. easy.
it’s complete anarchy.
I think multiple generations need to pass before the population has any immunity to this sort of thing.
Unfortunately the scams will continue to develop in sophistication also.
Education and economic opportunity aren’t really genetically moderated. Unless you mean it’s going to take multiple generations’ time strictly because it may take decades to improve upon those because such infrastructure and policy has a lot of resistance from the ruling class.
genetics have absolutely nothing to do with it at all
I recommend watching John Oliver’s segment on the pig butchering scam, it was very eye opening for me. They are basically slaves, overworked and beaten by their owners. The bigger scumbags are the ones exploiting them and their victims.
I still don’t understand why people take calls from unknown numbers. 9 out 10 calls on my dad’s landline are scam and I blocked a lot already (as in number ranges). On my cell phone you are either in my contacts or you are blocked immediately.
Before cell phones, phones were opportunities. Calls could be anything. Maybe you won something or a politician is cold calling constituents or something. Maybe someone got your number from a friend and is calling for the first time.
Its just very old habits that are hard to kill. Younger folks see random calls as almost certain scams. Text messages or emails with links get deleted immediately. Theres essentially a 0% chance a random call or text is actually beneficial to me.
Aren’t the shown phone numbers spoofed?
I always answer unknown numbers.
I don’t get scam calls or marketing calls. I’ve had a marketing ban on this number and it has never been listed and it’s about 25 years old or so. Like maybe once or twice I put it somewhere and got calls offering gym memberships for a while but that was a single place and I told them I have a marketing ban on my number so they stopped. It genuinely works to a very reasonable degree here in Finland. It’s not perfect but nothing is.
So when an unknown caller calls me it’s usually a doctor or some such thing I actually do need to reply to. During the daytime. At night it’s the police or fellow criminals.
What kind of square downvoted this
I have way too many things I need to answer that I don’t know the number of, and/or get mislabeled by the phone company, to do that, or trust “scam likely”.
My primary care physician’s office is scam likely My neurosurgeon’s office is scam likely My neurologist’s office is scam likely
I have a feeling the phone company, or whoever they get those labels from, might just be putting any number for a business name, linked to an Indian name, as “scam likely”. They don’t get my Orthopedic surgeon’s office wrong, or my nephrologist’s, or my endocrinologist’s, or my podiatrist’s and those are ones with European names. Everyone else, scam likely, even ones I didn’t list here, everyone else are doctors from India/Indian decent.
I also get a lot of calls from government phones, and other private businesses, that just show “unknown”, or a number I don’t recognize, but are important for me to answer. I don’t know these numbers ahead of time, because they don’t know who is going to call me back when these contacts are arraigned.
Such crude racism.
And it explains why Indian customer service agents always use European names. I don’t want to come off as racist but sometimes I have been amused by a heavy Indian accent introducing themselves with a very traditional European name.
It shouldn’t be funny, because it’s all because of racism and imperialism and colonialism.
But I can’t help being amused sometimes when I’m drunk. I shouldn’t. But I have been.
Fuck racism.
Like, I am pretty sure this is what is happening. I don’t have good proof, and my sample size is small, but the coincidence is stretched enough to be suspect. They claim that places like hospital, and other professional networks, get these because when they buy groups of phone numbers for their PBX systems, sometimes they were owned, or used by, scammers.
There are programs now that if they have like 12 seconds of audio of your doctor talking they can recreate it in ai and call you and ask you for anything they want. From pretty much any number they want.
I basically do mail only unless I initiate the call myself.
all of my calls that have HIPAA protected information require I type in a pin number before the call can continue, and in a couple places that send my phone on file a text with a password/number. So I am not that worried about that one. Still crazy though, and makes sense why they implemented this.
I answer most calls but rarely get them. When it’s a scam, it’s usually the “play a recording and only use a real person if they push 1 at the end of it to talk to a real person” type. I’ll either hang up quickly or if I’m feeling bored and trollish I’ll hit 1 and pick apart their plot holes (like if they say there’s a warrant or my package is being held, why the fuck do they need to ask for my name?). Then they get frustrated that I pushed the button when I clearly know it’s a scam and hang up. I think the reason it’s rare that I get those calls is because they also put me on a “waste of time, don’t call” list or something like that.
I setup an IVR on my parents landline and a whitelist to bypass it if they’re on the ‘contact list’. Doesnt stop manual callers, but it stops all the automated calls.
Capitalism is hell
That is not how it works. Most scam callers are generally hail from poor families and that generally has nothing to do with caste. Caste is less of a factor in urban areas than in rural areas.
Still fun to troll them
What they are doing is pretty scummy. Being poor doesn’t absolve them of the stuff they do: cheating the vulnerable out of their money. I have no sympathy for them.
there are so many ways to hustle and make money in these countries without screwing people over. buying produce from farmers and then carting them into the center for sale. no taxes paid no permits or business license required. slinging tea or coffee from the back of a bicycle from 8am to 11am. sitting on a street corner with your motorbike and saying “hey you where you go” hoping to give rides to tourist going to their hotels. literally working in any restaurant or factory doing anything.
these are countries of low pay and a low standard of living, but also a low cost for food and housing an extremely high rate of employment. companies are not trying to minimize staff the way they are in the US and other countries where labor is more costly. staff are often quitting out of boredom or to make time for their parents or something, because they know they can find another job anytime they want.
the scammers have no excuse and they deserve to eat shit.
Don’t know which country you’re talking about because that doesn’t sound like India that I grew up and live in.
Its just a story so they can rationalize the situation in their mind. We all tell stories like that to ourselves, just differently.
Sure, and money grows on trees
unnatural selection… nevertheless, the world winnows the population for those most vulnerable.
I feel sorry for them and see them as victims.
“I sympathize with the thief while he steals my bike”
On some level…
Some of them are in it for the love of the game. For whatever reason I get a shit load of spam calls to my work phone and sometimes I’ll fuck with them. I can’t remember what I was telling this dude, but he started slurring his words and I asked him if he was ok and if he had any plans for the weekend. I hung up like a minute later and the dude called me back. I just asked him why and he was like “I dunno lol”.
Capitalism is hell
