“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
Harm reduction for who? The dems aren’t allies to anyone they pretend to be allies towards, all they care about is fundraising and protecting their corporate donors.
Those Palestinians sure don’t feel “harm reduction”. Immigrants? The dems will also throw them under the bus. Trans people? Same thing. Women? They’ve had fifty fucking years to protect abortion but cynically fundraised off it instead.
Fuck democrats and the vote blue no matter who idiots who support them. Y’all a bunch of easily manipulated fools.
Buddy, if you’re take away from my comments here are that I’m a, “vote blue no matter who,” Democrat, you should go back to your high school and slap your English teacher, 'cause you apparently made it through without picking up any reading comprehension. For the record, you’re not wrong about the Democrats, but voting for someone who will neglect you over someone who will attack you is harm reduction. Voting for the party that will allow Israel to level the Gaza over the party that will allow Israel to level Gaza and annex the West Bank is harm reduction. Voting for the party that did nothing to protect Roe over the party that abolished it is harm reduction. Voting for the people who are soft of trans rights over the people putting bounties on trans people using the bathroom is harm reduction. That’s why it’s called harm reduction, not harm elimination.
That doesn’t mean that the Democrats are good, or that you should always vote for them in every election, and I clearly sympathize with people who could not bring themselves to vote for them this election. It just means we would be better off if Trump wasn’t going to be President, and personally, I blame the Democratic party for that failure.
Republicans didn’t abolish roe. The scotus did. Maybe if democrats got their shit together they wouldn’t of lost not one but three scotus seats due to their own incompetence.
RBG didn’t retire soon enough to give Obama the pick.
Obama didn’t fight hard enough for his right to pick a successor to Scalia.
Then they lost 2016 to trump because they ran an absolutely detestable candidate and ratfucked the primary so trump got to pick three justices - one to replace RBG (Amy coney barret) and one to replace Scalia (Neil gorsuch) and then kavanaugh to replace Kennedy who retired under trump.
When republicans go low, democrats go cry in a corner and throw up their hands and say there’s nothing they can do, they tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas.
Voting for democrats is delusional, not harm reduction. But whatever makes you feel better. Laughable that you somehow assume the democrats wouldn’t allow Israel to genocide the West Bank too. Both parties support the genocide wholeheartedly.
Again, not wrong about the criticism of the Democrats, just what harm reduction is. Putting incompetent, weak-willed centrists in power over literal fascists is practically the definition of harm reduction. Again, that’s doesn’t mean I think Democrats are good. Amputation is better than dying of gangrene, but that doesn’t mean I think having your arm cut off is good.
(Also, yeah, Democrats wouldn’t let Israel annex the West Bank. That’s why Israeli politicians didn’t start talking openly about full annexation until Trump won. Democrats did allow illegal settlements to slowly take portions of the West Bank with little pushback, and that’s fucking despicable, but again, full annexation vs. illegal settlements is a perfect example of harm reduction.)
Im a queer woman who “sold you out”. All of that tech that Israel’s using against the Palestinians in their genocide will be used against us next.
I don’t give a fuck. Cry about it. Being out to brunch for four years when you should of been holding the dems accountable like you all promised the left (just this time we swear we’ll push them left after they get elected!) resulted in this outcome.
OK, so if Harris had decided to roll back protections on the queer community, came out against gender affirming care, and started supporting, “pray the gay away,” shit, would you want straight people telling you to suck it up? Would you want them telling you that you’re a piece of shit if you don’t vote for her? That you’re stupid not to vote for her because Trump is worse? Having the emotional distance to make a cool, detached, “lesser evil,” argument is a position of privilege, and I don’t assume everyone shares it.
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
Why would Jill Stein voters keep talking about Jill Stein now on articles that have nothing to do with her? None of the people who voted for her swayed the election at all. It’s not like anyone here is happy Trump won – we all despise him. Third-party voters are in the same boat and doing the same thing as everyone else: figuring out how to survive or escape a country that just lost almost all its checks and balances.
every vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. Using your dumbass shitlib logic, every vote for a third party is a vote for Harris if you were a trump supporter.
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The goal of the bots and trolls was to amplify a false comparison, and generate infighting in the anti-trump crowd. The fact that you still exist here is proof that it was money well spent.
Sure. The goal of those bots and trolls was to smear Kamala and make it seem like she is the same choice as “get the job (genocide) done quickly” trump. There were lots of people saying “I can’t vote for Kamala because of Israel’s genocide” but I never ever heard a single fucking Republican say the same thing about trump. And now we have trump. Well done, dipshits.
Bullshit or you wouldn’t of lost an election in a landslide taking the senate and house with ya.
Liberal tears are so tasty. They can’t handle their shit ass genocidal candidate lost so they blame everybody but their shit ass candidate from a shit ass party for the loss.
Edit: You don’t know the person you’re talking to. They voted third party and it had no effect on the outcome of the election, yet you are here telling them that they share blame for the harm and death that is about to come to thousands of people at the hands of an authoritarian dictator that they did not vote for.
That is not true and it is not okay. That is straight up abusive. Direct your anger elsewhere.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
Gaza was straight up annihilated under Biden and no I don’t feel righteous because it was still my country supporting it. I am proud to not have personally voted for a candidate that feels righteous supporting those doing the enslaving and genocide though. Your argument that people should vote for the plantation owner cause the other one will own more slaves isn’t appealing and clearly wasn’t a winning strategy. If you were concerned about slaves then you would have rejected the idea of owning plantations altogether.
Ah yes the benevolent serial killer that is just expediting the ending of suffering. Kamala was just helping women and kids respawn so they could join back on Team America.
You didn’t support a genocide candidate, but you failed to prevent an outcome 100x worse. You claim to wash your hands of it, but you’re using bullshit as soap.
You can’t prove an outcome 100x worse because the future hasn’t happened yet.
Yes, that is indeed how the future works, but I’m confident trump is much worse than Kamala on this issue, based on past events, which tends to be the best predictor of future events.
Speaking of which…
With Biden’s behavior towards Russia post election, there’s no guarantee that Harris bringing us into WW3 wouldn’t be 100x worse.
The term you should lookup is “appeasement”, you should have paid more attention during middle school history, and less attention to whatever conspiracy/propaganda hole that fuckwit opinion dribbled out of.
I didn’t fail to prevent anything. I’ve never been good at lying to myself and others by pretending that bullshit soap is high quality lavender soap. If you want me to sell lavender soap then give me lavender soap to sell.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Honestly all the shitlib apologia reads like bot material to me. All the dnc talking points over and over and over. Zero self reflection for why Harris lost. It’s everyone else’s fault! Especially those who couldn’t stomach voting for a genocider! How dare they! /s
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.
Cry about it. That’s what you get for being out to brunch for four years after promising the last election that you’d hold this admin “accountable” and “push them to the left”.
Run a popular platform instead of “we’re not trump”, hold legitimate primaries that aren’t dnc ratfucked, and stop supporting Israel’s genocide and general bullshit sucking us into WW3 and you’ll win an election in a landslide.
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“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
Harm reduction for who? The dems aren’t allies to anyone they pretend to be allies towards, all they care about is fundraising and protecting their corporate donors.
Those Palestinians sure don’t feel “harm reduction”. Immigrants? The dems will also throw them under the bus. Trans people? Same thing. Women? They’ve had fifty fucking years to protect abortion but cynically fundraised off it instead.
Fuck democrats and the vote blue no matter who idiots who support them. Y’all a bunch of easily manipulated fools.
Buddy, if you’re take away from my comments here are that I’m a, “vote blue no matter who,” Democrat, you should go back to your high school and slap your English teacher, 'cause you apparently made it through without picking up any reading comprehension. For the record, you’re not wrong about the Democrats, but voting for someone who will neglect you over someone who will attack you is harm reduction. Voting for the party that will allow Israel to level the Gaza over the party that will allow Israel to level Gaza and annex the West Bank is harm reduction. Voting for the party that did nothing to protect Roe over the party that abolished it is harm reduction. Voting for the people who are soft of trans rights over the people putting bounties on trans people using the bathroom is harm reduction. That’s why it’s called harm reduction, not harm elimination.
That doesn’t mean that the Democrats are good, or that you should always vote for them in every election, and I clearly sympathize with people who could not bring themselves to vote for them this election. It just means we would be better off if Trump wasn’t going to be President, and personally, I blame the Democratic party for that failure.
Republicans didn’t abolish roe. The scotus did. Maybe if democrats got their shit together they wouldn’t of lost not one but three scotus seats due to their own incompetence.
RBG didn’t retire soon enough to give Obama the pick.
Obama didn’t fight hard enough for his right to pick a successor to Scalia.
Then they lost 2016 to trump because they ran an absolutely detestable candidate and ratfucked the primary so trump got to pick three justices - one to replace RBG (Amy coney barret) and one to replace Scalia (Neil gorsuch) and then kavanaugh to replace Kennedy who retired under trump.
When republicans go low, democrats go cry in a corner and throw up their hands and say there’s nothing they can do, they tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas.
Voting for democrats is delusional, not harm reduction. But whatever makes you feel better. Laughable that you somehow assume the democrats wouldn’t allow Israel to genocide the West Bank too. Both parties support the genocide wholeheartedly.
Again, not wrong about the criticism of the Democrats, just what harm reduction is. Putting incompetent, weak-willed centrists in power over literal fascists is practically the definition of harm reduction. Again, that’s doesn’t mean I think Democrats are good. Amputation is better than dying of gangrene, but that doesn’t mean I think having your arm cut off is good.
(Also, yeah, Democrats wouldn’t let Israel annex the West Bank. That’s why Israeli politicians didn’t start talking openly about full annexation until Trump won. Democrats did allow illegal settlements to slowly take portions of the West Bank with little pushback, and that’s fucking despicable, but again, full annexation vs. illegal settlements is a perfect example of harm reduction.)
The weak democrats that are going to roll over and hand the fascists power? Those democrats?
No. Im good with my vote, sorry it’s so offensive to liberal sensibilities.
Does it matter bro? They sold out all the women and queers in America for a country that hates women and queers. (Im lgbt i can say that)
Im a queer woman who “sold you out”. All of that tech that Israel’s using against the Palestinians in their genocide will be used against us next.
I don’t give a fuck. Cry about it. Being out to brunch for four years when you should of been holding the dems accountable like you all promised the left (just this time we swear we’ll push them left after they get elected!) resulted in this outcome.
Ill keep that in mind if we end up at the same camp
Given that RFK Jr wants to send the adhd people into camps I’ll probably end up in a concentration camp.
OK, so if Harris had decided to roll back protections on the queer community, came out against gender affirming care, and started supporting, “pray the gay away,” shit, would you want straight people telling you to suck it up? Would you want them telling you that you’re a piece of shit if you don’t vote for her? That you’re stupid not to vote for her because Trump is worse? Having the emotional distance to make a cool, detached, “lesser evil,” argument is a position of privilege, and I don’t assume everyone shares it.
That would still be a poor comparison, itd affect queers here in America, not halfway across the world
“This is a bad analogy; the people being harmed are far away, therefore it’s not as bad,” is one hell of a take.
No, it’s not they “aren’t perfect”. It’s that they support a fucking genocide.
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
Why would Jill Stein voters keep talking about Jill Stein now on articles that have nothing to do with her? None of the people who voted for her swayed the election at all. It’s not like anyone here is happy Trump won – we all despise him. Third-party voters are in the same boat and doing the same thing as everyone else: figuring out how to survive or escape a country that just lost almost all its checks and balances.
Sorry, it’s true though. Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.
FALSE
every vote for a third party is a vote for a third party. Using your dumbass shitlib logic, every vote for a third party is a vote for Harris if you were a trump supporter.
Oh FUCK OFF ALREADY with that garbage. It’s over.
Sho is. Thanks.
by definition, they weren’t
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The goal of the bots and trolls was to amplify a false comparison, and generate infighting in the anti-trump crowd. The fact that you still exist here is proof that it was money well spent.
So you believe absent bots and trolls that people would have been unified alongside Kamala on their support and commitment to genocide?
Sure. The goal of those bots and trolls was to smear Kamala and make it seem like she is the same choice as “get the job (genocide) done quickly” trump. There were lots of people saying “I can’t vote for Kamala because of Israel’s genocide” but I never ever heard a single fucking Republican say the same thing about trump. And now we have trump. Well done, dipshits.
Bullshit or you wouldn’t of lost an election in a landslide taking the senate and house with ya.
Liberal tears are so tasty. They can’t handle their shit ass genocidal candidate lost so they blame everybody but their shit ass candidate from a shit ass party for the loss.
The blood of those Trump will kill are on your hands, not mine stranger.
And the blood of all those Palestinians killed already by biden is on your hands.
Trump would have killed them anyway, so not really.
Logically you can’t kill people twice. Do better, bot.
Your comment is abhorrent.
Edit: You don’t know the person you’re talking to. They voted third party and it had no effect on the outcome of the election, yet you are here telling them that they share blame for the harm and death that is about to come to thousands of people at the hands of an authoritarian dictator that they did not vote for.
That is not true and it is not okay. That is straight up abusive. Direct your anger elsewhere.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
Lol Gaza is going to be straight annihilated under Trump and you’ll still somehow feel righteous.
Gaza was straight up annihilated under Biden and no I don’t feel righteous because it was still my country supporting it. I am proud to not have personally voted for a candidate that feels righteous supporting those doing the enslaving and genocide though. Your argument that people should vote for the plantation owner cause the other one will own more slaves isn’t appealing and clearly wasn’t a winning strategy. If you were concerned about slaves then you would have rejected the idea of owning plantations altogether.
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One life spared would be harm mitigation and therefor justification. Gaza is not a moral boolean variable
“You should have worked with the murderer to kill more people instead of taking a chance calling the cops!”
I mean ACAB and all that, but damn
Ah yes the benevolent serial killer that is just expediting the ending of suffering. Kamala was just helping women and kids respawn so they could join back on Team America.
Are you fucking serious right now? None of that is even close to what I said.
You didn’t support a genocide candidate, but you failed to prevent an outcome 100x worse. You claim to wash your hands of it, but you’re using bullshit as soap.
You can’t prove an outcome 100x worse because the future hasn’t happened yet.
With Biden’s behavior towards Russia post election, there’s no guarantee that Harris bringing us into WW3 wouldn’t be 100x worse.
Yes, that is indeed how the future works, but I’m confident trump is much worse than Kamala on this issue, based on past events, which tends to be the best predictor of future events.
Speaking of which…
The term you should lookup is “appeasement”, you should have paid more attention during middle school history, and less attention to whatever conspiracy/propaganda hole that fuckwit opinion dribbled out of.
I didn’t fail to prevent anything. I’ve never been good at lying to myself and others by pretending that bullshit soap is high quality lavender soap. If you want me to sell lavender soap then give me lavender soap to sell.
Bingo, getting trump elected was the goal all along.
This place was rife with bots spreading Jill Stein and Claudia de La Cruz propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Honestly all the shitlib apologia reads like bot material to me. All the dnc talking points over and over and over. Zero self reflection for why Harris lost. It’s everyone else’s fault! Especially those who couldn’t stomach voting for a genocider! How dare they! /s
On this, we agree.
Maybe they were humans who’ve realized how dumb they were and ceased posting? One can hope, anyway…
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
…What are the inconvenient truths?
Edit: Ah, I just looked at your removed comments defending Nazis and shit. Don’t care, nevermind. Don’t bother responding, I’ve already blocked you.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.
*pro fascist liberals
The left are the ones holding dems accountable
…what? Did anyone ever say that Harris and trump were the same? I’m not sure I ever heard that…
I’ve heard a lot of criticisms rephrased as “bOth SiDes sAMe” by the person with whom they were arguing.
Usually because Palestine. I fucking swear if 7 million stayed home over Palestine…
You’ll what?
Cry about it. That’s what you get for being out to brunch for four years after promising the last election that you’d hold this admin “accountable” and “push them to the left”.
Run a popular platform instead of “we’re not trump”, hold legitimate primaries that aren’t dnc ratfucked, and stop supporting Israel’s genocide and general bullshit sucking us into WW3 and you’ll win an election in a landslide.
Bro, you need that /s