• philosloppy@lemmy.world
    1441·
    6 days ago

    “transgender ideology” is not a thing. That’s the type of shit transphobes pull out of their ass when they’re trying to attack trans folks

    • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
      67·
      6 days ago

      I think transgender ideology is “we’re human”.

      It’s fucking wild that the Right can be opposed to human rights and anti-fascism and millions of people are somehow still gaslit in believing they’re the good guys.

      • qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        6 days ago

        It’s this exact point for me. “Antifascist” is being taken at face value and simultaneously being tarred as antisocial rhetoric. What the actual fuck has gone on? If the belief that “antifascist” is a cover or a dogwhistle, then shouldn’t you attempt to separate their political orientation away from those words? “They aren’t antifascist. They are political dissidents claiming all of their political enemies are ‘fascists’.”

        Instead, we have: “No, they ARE antifascists and they are our enemies!” Why did we let them stigmatize the word “antifascist”?

    • apftwb@lemmy.world
      23·
      5 days ago

      I can see something engraved like “uwu” be interpreted that way by MSM.

      EDIT: CALLED IT! “Notices bulges OwO”

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
    2051·
    7 days ago

    Breaking News: the entire text of The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood was found to be engraved on bullet casings left at the scene, according to a source. So we should ban that book from all schools, fr fr.

  • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1542·
    7 days ago

    Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi’s alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.

      • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        542·
        7 days ago

        Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence to make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense.

        • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          33·
          6 days ago

          So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.

          • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            92·
            6 days ago

            Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.

            • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              24·
              6 days ago

              “Clearly trained”. No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I’ve hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in).

              I’m seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it’s a hard shot. It’s not.

              • ngdev@lemmy.zipEnglish
                4·
                6 days ago

                an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far

            • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.netEnglish
              20·
              6 days ago

              A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional… He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it’s literally a feature of some casual gun competitions.

        • Cid Vicious@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          15·
          7 days ago

          I’m not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.

          • Nougat@fedia.io
            22·
            7 days ago

            The casing doesn’t leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back. Also, 100 yards (300 feet).

            e: I’m now hearing 200 yards.

          • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
            11·
            7 days ago

            The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible.

        • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
          3·
          6 days ago

          There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message.

          In this case, it’s more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism.

      • Jaysyn@lemmy.world
        2·
        6 days ago

        The casing that the shooter took with them?

        Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired?

        This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn’t even in the USA at this point.

        • Monument@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          2·
          6 days ago

          The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.

          I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
          Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.

            • Monument@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              1·
              6 days ago

              I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that?

              The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.)

              [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, “Notices bulges OwO what’s this?” An unfired bullet casing read, “Hey fascist, catch!” And a second unfired casing read, “oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao.” A third unfired casing said, “If you read this, you are gay.”
              CBS News

      • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        5 days ago

        Clowns all of them.

        Apparently the bullets did have some engravings, but they said benign shit like “Here fascist, catch!” and “If you read this, you are gay LMAO”, but nothing antifa or trans related

      • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        48·
        6 days ago

        On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology” engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.

        This is statement from the WSJ

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          10·
          5 days ago

          They’re walking back a claim that was so stupid that it could only be made up by a conspiracy theory idiot.

          Yet they made it. Top notch US journalism here people

          Now they’re somewhat walking it back but that doesn’t matter, that walking back part will be ignored, the damage has been done

  • limer@lemmy.ml
    115·
    7 days ago

    In related news, doctors were amazed they kept pulling books and scrolls from the body, placed there by the bullets.

    “It’s amazing” said the orange as quoted by the wsj, “apparently books like this can kill. I’m sure he could have survived the wound without the additional poisoning.”

    In response to this, reaction forces were posed to raid the libraries of all elementary schools within the washington dc area

  • spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works
    57·
    6 days ago

    The backpedaling on the WSJ’s lie has begun:

    On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology” engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.

    • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
      6·
      6 days ago

      Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution

      https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

      It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:

      Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter / Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say

      https://www.wsj.com/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-e7f3eae4

      • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
        6·
        6 days ago

        So basically the federal agencies cannot be trusted here and have clearly shown their political partisanship and they got what they wanted in circulating their official false narrative to provoke political violence on the right against the lbgtq community and whatever the fuck they call the left.

        Because that’s literally what they did, every right wing advocate for political violence has been clamoring about this non fucking stop and the government here has no shame about it.

        2A up people, it’s going to get bad.

        • Doomsider@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 days ago

          The proliferation of guns is directly responsible for why are here now. I really hope you are being ironic.

  • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
    81·
    6 days ago

    transgender and antifascist ideology

    transgender … ideology

    [Squidward voice, but angrier] NO, PATRICK, TRANSGENDER IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY… PREGNANT IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY EITHER.

  • JohnnyFlapHoleSeed@lemmy.world
    865·
    7 days ago

    Total BS. Engraving on a small, curved surface, legibly is hard as hell. Then that bullet is going to get grooved in a rifled barrel, and most likely deform or fragment on impact.

    We should probably be talking about how Trump used a fucking AI video to address Charlie Kirk’s death. There’s a good chance Trump is doing this as a false flag

    • wirebeads@lemmy.caEnglish
      438·
      7 days ago

      False flag is exactly what this is.

      I’d be shocked if this wasn’t a decision directly from Trump and his magat minions they follow him around to distract from Epstein and further slide America in the hell hole of fascism that it’s facing.

      Hurry up Americans. You won’t have an America soon at this rate.

      Line item number 2.

      • alcibiades@sh.itjust.works
        473·
        7 days ago

        No way in fuck they purposely had Kirk assassinated.

        1. His job as a propagandist / hate spreader is way too important and influential to stop
        2. they could’ve martyred a similarly famous, but less influential, republican and gotten the same response
        3. they’re going to go forward with their plan- they don’t need an excuse
        4. this happened in a red state, why wouldn’t they pick a blue state?
        5. I really don’t think Epstein files matter that much for republicans. A video could come out of Trump raping a child and it would be chalked up to ai and they wouldn’t believe it
        6. the news cycle is so short- this won’t remain a hot topic for a long amount of time

        It’s a convenient distraction, sure, but it’s been proven time and time again that they don’t need distractions to carry out policy. If there’s any conspiracy to be had, it would be surrounding the (relatively) unanimous rhetoric that his death was a tragedy. When kids die in Gaza everyday, a regular citizen is shot, or someone kills themselves because of financial strain we don’t debate the morals of their unjust death. However when a famous white man is killed he isn’t just a statistic but an example of how awful people can be.

        • njm1314@lemmy.world
          251·
          7 days ago

          I doubt it too, but you are exaggerating this man’s importance and influence to an absurd degree. He’ll be replaced by another grifter in weeks.

          • alcibiades@sh.itjust.works
            14·
            7 days ago

            I think Kirk was a major reason for an uptick in republican youth voters because he was so famous on social media. I’ve noticed young men my age, who vote democrat, like a reel featuring Charlie Kirk because he “owned a silly lib” in an amusing way. His job was touring college campuses- upon invitation from college students- to spread hate and try to convince young people that their politics and identity were wrong.

            I would compare him to Andrew Tate because they spread a relatively similar sermon of hate and individualism, but Tate isn’t a political activist. He doesn’t bring people to the polls like a Charlie Kirk can. Another comparison would be Trump, but Trump can never relate to the youth because he’s still just an old man.

            I agree he’ll get replaced and this won’t really slow down the machine, but the man had quite the impact on young people.

        • Optional@lemmy.world
          151·
          7 days ago

          Yeah, agree. They could have offed Laura Loomer for a tenth of the price and worked just as much viral juice out of it.

          Besides, i really don’t care, do u?

          • alcibiades@sh.itjust.works
            72·
            6 days ago

            You’re giving Israel the type of credit they want bruh. They are not running a world control conspiracy 😭 They don’t have power over the USA, the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it. Yes Mossad gets up to fucked up stuff, but they are not about to murder famous American political figures and face the repercussions.

            What does Netanyahu tweeting even mean as well. He’s not giving you a hint into some grand conspiracy that would require countless lies and people involved. That line of thinking is the same bs that the alt right falls for

            • JohnnyFlapHoleSeed@lemmy.world
              6·
              6 days ago

              Yeah, but on the other hand, cell phone bombs, followed by pager bombs, and hacking the air gapped Iran centrifuges, literally selling the software to hack into any phone…

              • alcibiades@sh.itjust.works
                21·
                6 days ago

                Yeah those are all things USA and other western powers want to invest in but don’t want to get their hands dirty with. They could put a stop to all that or do it themselves but don’t want to

            • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
              2·
              6 days ago

              the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it.

              Hey Joe Dirt! Do you want or need a colonial presence in the middle east?
              uhmm… no, why?
              Because Israel wants us to, and it will serve our homegrown neo-nazi supremacist agenda.
              uhmm… Brandyyyyyy?

              Controlling middle east oil is easier with Zionazi supremacist rule over US, and laundering election funding through state gifts to Israel. But Jordan, KSA, and other US colonies would have an easier time receiving US bribes of friendship without Zionazism.

            • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
              1·
              6 days ago

              Israel doesn’t control the world. Jews don’t control the world. Look at the place, does the world really look like it’s under control?

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 days ago

          Yeah Crowder would’ve been the sacrificial pawn. Like, clearly there’s some gender stuff going on over there (and therefore risk of defection), very small propaganda power to star power ratio, and generally seems disliked by his colleagues.

          Sorta like how if they were going to kill one of their senators it would be Cruz or Graham.

      • P00ptart@lemmy.world
        18·
        7 days ago

        No good marksman is carving anything on a bullet or casing. You want it to work. Carving the bullet means changing the ballistics, carving the casing means potentially making the round not chamber or having a misfire from a busted casing.

          • rocketpoweredredneck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            6 days ago

            I think I know what you’re driving at, but first let me address what you actually said real quick. A bolt action rifle does absolutely have a chamber, the chamber is the rearmost part of the barrel where the round sits and is held in place before firing. Its fitted to the specific round that the gun is designed to use to create a gas seal to ensure the projectile can be propelled down the barrel.

            What I believe you were driving at is that, due to the chambering mechanism on a bolt action rifle being manually operated, as opposed to relying on the recoil action/gas discharge of the firearm to drive the bolt back and a spring to drive it forward, means that it less likely to jam or fail to seat. This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile. You’re less likely to see a stovepipe, I’ve only seen it when the case managed to fall back into the action instead of being ejected off to the side, but a complete failure to eject, a failure to seat or even a double feed are all possible ‘jams’ with a bolt action rifle.

            • MML@sh.itjust.works
              2·
              6 days ago

              Any idea what could cause a bolt to fly back when fired once and function properly in the future? We were all stumped

              • rocketpoweredredneck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                3·
                6 days ago

                I can think of a few possible but highly unlikely scenarios for a typical bolt action rifle to do this, but nothing that would be easy to duplicate. Generally the bolt handle will be at least passively ‘locked’ in place by the geometry of the bolt and rifle, and sometimes actively locked in place. If the bolt handle isn’t fully seated, there really shouldn’t be a way for the firing pin to release. Wear and lack of maintenance could cause an issue like this, but I would expect the incident would be repeatable.

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              6 days ago

              This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile.

              True, but you’d really need to jack up the engraving to get it to jam, and in a case like this, you’re unlikely to need or want a second shot anyway. The only real reason to bring multiple rounds is in case of a misfire (unlikely to be caused by an engraving), because once you fire, you’re running if you want any shot of getting away. So it getting stuck ejecting isn’t really an issue, and that’s already an incredibly remote chance.

              And I don’t understand how you’d double feed here. The shooter obviously had some training and was only going to take one shot anyway.

              • P00ptart@lemmy.world
                1·
                4 days ago

                Engrave too deep and you will get a misfire. If you want to put a message on your casings, better to use a sharpie or paint pen.

                • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  4 days ago

                  Sure, but you’d need to go pretty deep to cause issues. Casings are quite thick, and need to be to contain the explosion. An engraving like this would only be superficial.

      • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
        11·
        7 days ago

        Sounds like they’re saying the un-shot ammunition found with the rifle had the engravings. If I’m mistaken on that, could you please link to where they’re saying bullet specifically?

        Still, as someone who’s tried to paint tea cups, have to agree, curved surfaces are a bitch to mark legibly (probably harder on the smaller surface of a bullet casing).

      • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
        6·
        6 days ago

        None of those comments offer anything to suggest its not AI. To me its very clearly ai. Trump these days cannot speak properly and in that video he speaks clear and consistent and uses no hand gestures. He also looks younger and the video is low rez.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      6 days ago

      If it was engraved, it would be on the casing, not the bullet. I imagine many journalists don’t actually know the difference, and most readers probably wouldn’t as well.

      That said, I agree, I don’t see why the shooter would spend the time. If there were any markings, I’m going to guess they’re permanent marker, because that’s way easier to do.

      My money is on this being completely bogus. I believe they found the rifle (first rule of murder school is to not bring the weapon with you), but I do not believe they found engraved bullets, because that’s kind of ridiculous.