laugh all you want but some Poles are immune to the Death Note
I was so mad about that post I tried to tell my Polish friend about it but I have no idea how to spell his name
This site is so white holy shit
Imagine modding against things like this while the site tolerates Zionist framings of antisemitism.
Polish people out here making family names that would pass a strong password criteria check
That or it’s Polish tradition to make your family name the unique sound your bloodline makes falling down the stairs
“My father was a Brzęczyszczykiewicz, my grandfather was a Brzęczyszczykiewicz, and we’re throwing you down the stairs to see if you’re also truly a Brzęczyszczykiewicz”
I honestly wonder if Cyrillic could save Polish
Don’t even fucking try, Poles are so racist against Russians we would literally storm the presidential palace if this was proposed lol
But I have thought of this a bit before
Anything Polish is racist
even me?
Well not with that face
Im glad my post making fun of Mingus Lucien Reedus wasn’t removed for racism
TIL Poles are a separate race.
Yeah, there’s a reason race “science” is a joke. Race is a social construct, constructed by racists to justify their xenophobia against whatever nationality or group of nationalities they decide that they need to feel superior to. This is probably part of the reason why western european racists assign so many more specific races to Europeans than Africans or Asians for example.
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, what makes poles different?Poland never had a colonial empire.
They did have a fascist government that ran concentration camps though. Plus more than a couple euro nations never had a formal colonial empire, but benefitted/still benefit from western imperialism. Idk where that leaves us re: the original question, but “it’s only ok to make fun of European ethnicities that had colonies” doesn’t seem super solid.
(I have a hard time communicating tone and I’m trying real hard to not come off all debate pervert, apologies if I failed)
Nah, you’re fine. These are nuances worth considering.
So there was this thing called Polonization whereby Poland seized land from the newly formed Western Ukrainian People’s Republic, Belarus, and Lithuania, among slivers of others. This was just flatly a land grab and imperialistic. More than that, they attempted to assimilate the minority populations, limiting the number of schools in their languages. Even when this was somewhat lessened, any Belarusian with a streak of pride was viewed with suspicion and seen as a communist spy.
Ukrainians faced a load of shit, destruction of Greek Orthodox churches explicitly in revenge for the dissolution of Catholic power by the Romanovs after Partition. Essentially taking it out on Ukrainians and Belarusians.
They then worked with the Nazis solely for the purpose of taking Czechoslovak territory. Poland is not colonial inasmuch as it was not a thing for most of the colonial era, but the 2nd Polish Republic was imperialist and locally colonialist with their goals of creating clear ethnic borders within their territory and with their neighbors, with the goal of Polonizing those caught in the middle
I am learning way more than I expected to going into this thread.
Is this a lesson in an alternate history class? I think I got lost.
Alternate history?
Actually, nevermind, after reading other comments in the thread you guys are making some valid points. However surprising the sentence “Poland collaborated with Nazis” sound like. But then was everyone else at that time :)
lack of a colonial empire doesn’t really excuse participation in settler-colonialism. i’m not trying to be ignorant of any particular historical bigotries towards poles, but in the context of being in the heart of empire in 2025, i fail to see what existing bigotries have persisted against the children of white polish immigrants. again, i don’t have any onus against regarding making fun of poles to be racist in the sense of the german venture towards extermination. i’m also not sure to what extent one could consider modern poland as under the thumb of us imperialism any more so than say germany or finland.
What does “participation in settler-colonialism” mean when applied to nationalities instead of individuals, if not state projects?
By the time that Polish migration to America got underway, most of the land had already been staked by common law. There isn’t much of a “Polish Belt”; Polish-Americans lived largely in cities and either became assimilated as white Americans or lived in enclaves and kept their othered status. And if I recall correctly, Poles in Haiti were friendlier with the Haitian population and largely were okay with the revolution.
To answer the question of what makes Poles different from Italians, Italy is unambiguously more “imperial core” than Poland is, and this has been the case for 150 years (would be 250, but Italy hasn’t existed as a unified entity that long). The last time Poland was able to subjugate anyone was the 1730s. In the European context (which is what is relevant to the OP), both nationalities had lots of migration to Northern and Western Europe for a while, but for Italy this ended shortly after unification, while for Poland it continues to this day. In England, Germany, and Benelux, Italians are closer to being seen as part of the cultural continuity, while Poles are seen as waves of immigrant menial laborers.
Whitey has a hierarchy, and Tadeusz is pretty low on it.
Poland did subjugate Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, and Czechoslovakia, the latter in living memory.
I think you make a good point, but let’s not white wash that.
But we did want one, especially Madagascar
I’ll be real, I did not even know about Poland’s serious colonial ambitions till this week. Love how there is a whole cottage industry of Polish historians to codify why its NOT bad when they try to do it.
Love how there is a whole cottage industry of Polish historians to codify why its NOT bad when they try to do it.
Oh this is just the “collonial ambitions” branch wait till you see the rest what Instytut Pamięci Narodowej has to offer :^)
Are they the freaks who have an official Polish government approved history of why the Pogroms of Lviv/Lemberg are NOT pogroms because many of those murdered for being Jews were killed for being mistaken Greek Orthodox? Cause that shit is bloodcurdling to read
The same one. „Pogrom lwowski” – true history. International press made out Poland to be an anti-Semitic hell by Mirosław Szumiło who works at the bureau of historical research at IPN and who was it’s director from 2016 to 2017.
And well they do have many more government approved histories, I call them the “Ministry of truth” for a reason.
Lovely people
Every European country outside of like Ireland deserves an emote honestly and even Ireland can be argued to deserve one as well since they largely benefit from their place within the imperial core even after factoring in their history.
Even with the Irish they generally don’t mind a bit of mockery provided you aren’t British. If anything self deprecation is part of their culture.
I mean they are majority catholic, self-loathing is part of who they are
I’m only two generations removed from Ireland, and one generation removed from Catholicism. That self loathing is genetic i swear.
I am like 5 generations removed, though raised Catholic mostly by Italians and SAME
ireland is good if you’re rich and don’t need the kinds of healthcare the pope doesn’t like.
it’s anti-polish discriminationWypieramy się
Poland is a theocratic far right fascist shithole where a majority of the politically aware population are rabidly anti communist, and a lot of people consider themselves white, hate anyone with more melanin than them, and participate in violent anti immigrant hate rallies. They learned nothing from nazi settler colonialism and genocide except how to be better genocidal racists. The example shared is just minor friendly banter poking fun at their naming conventions. Nothing racist about that.
Lokalny polak potwierdza prawdę
even if it wasnt a reference to a movie why is a mod removing shit for making fun of white polish people’s names? thats not racism or bigotry i dont think.
Polish people are absolutely discriminated against in some countries, they were the main target of hostility towards migrants around a decade ago in the UK for instance. Not everywhere has an American understanding of whiteness
Even in the US, I remember back in the 80s kids used to crack racist jokes about Poles
but that was white europeans being targeted for their white european nationality. not racism, and to the extent that you can say it WAS racism, it could only be defined that way with the absurd white elite’s constant redefining of who “gets to be white”.
italians are closer to being PoC than Poles and nobody thinks its racist to make fun of italians, because they’re now accepted as white
i by the way, am not “an american”. im iranian and mexican. i just happen to live here because people tend to escape the wrath of the whites by coming here
“polish people are discriminated against in some countries” just gives “i was the only white guy at my school and black people were racist to me”. im not saying they weren’t mean to you, but racist? i dont think so
i also want to point out, 10 out of 10 times someone was being prejudiced towards a pole, if there were an african in the vicinity or an easterner then the pole would have been spared. 9 out of 10 times the pole may have even joined in being racist.
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whites dont experience racism. i dont care if theyre polish. you can put words in my mouth to win your little internet argument but im not gonna say whites experience racism lol bye
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you’re not beating the cracker allegations
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Yea I agree. It’s a confusing musical chairs of terminology going on.
“If poles experience racism, it’s not really racism because they’re white. If they experience racism anyway it’s because they aren’t white.” Not making sense lol. I don’t see the explanatory purpose in hyper specifying racism just to exclude people who visibly appear white even when the character of the situation is extremely similar to any conventional racism. Race is not a purely biologically property of humans - it results from a social phenomenon of racialization - so having light skin does not inherently make someone white. I’m kinda scared to know what that user thinks about the Irish.
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eastern europeans are only conditionally white
yeah that’s what i said tho its more that they’re conditionally not white than the other way around
fair. that way around anchors it better.
Whiteness doesn’t actually exist, you know? It’s a malleable social concept and applies to different groups of people based on the time and place. I don’t care if Polish people are considered white in 21st century America. They aren’t in a lot of Europe which is what I’m talking about. And they weren’t even white in America until relatively recently. I mean millions of Polish people were slaughtered during the first Holocaust for god’s sake. You can apply the same hypothetical argument about “if there was a black person around…” to Arabs too, it doesn’t mean that there’s not a Holocaust going on against Palestinians right now.
The only thing mods have ever needed to remove after they added the block button was actual bigotry, transphobia, csam illegal shit, and capitalist apologia, but instead they think their job as internet hall monitor is to police speech and opinions and, when people dislike this, it’s "these fucking users just want a cesspool
"Because there’s no middle ground at all between “cesspool” and “constantly vibe-moderating enforcing personal opinions on wrongthought, frequently based on the mod just straight up misreading or misinterpreting shit” 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑
My opinion is if you don’t belong at the bottom of a pit for saying it the mods don’t need to fucking do anything and if you disagree you’re a nerd. sometimes they act like the Hexbear stock price is going to crash in value if they let a shitty opinion go undeleted and i don’t get it, literally making work for themselves imo
Without downvotes the only real quality control is moderation
looks around yeah this is a real quality shitposting site, yup yussiree
nah people who are consistently hostile and abusive should be site-banned. visitors and new users don’t know who the missing stairs are that they should block.
nah people who are consistently hostile and abusive
what happens when one of them is a mod which was like at least 33% of the most recent drama bomb struggle session over this shit
new users don’t know who the missing stairs are that they should block
I don’t understand your words here but i don’t think people need curated block lists when “if you deserve to be thrown into a pit for your opinion” covers all actual crimes that aren’t just vibed out in the moment by the mod
Edit: actually sorry there is a problem with the block function, which reddit solved forever ago, where instead of just saying BLOCKED USER/COMMENT but allowing you the option to see further down the comment chain it’s just straight up black hole’d
a “missing stair” is a bad actor in a community that regulars know about and let off or make excuses for instead of holding them accountable or kicking them out.
“touch grass 6 feet under” should probably be a ban
@Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net I’m sorry lumalo but I’m about to say some slurs
go ahead, I give you the pierogi pass
Prague is better than Krakow and Warsaw combined it’s not even close
every day I thank dog I wasn’t born a W*rszawiak
and crack cow is literally smog city (haha smog, like smok, the wawel dragon? this fucking sucks where am i going with this)
american chauvinism a bannable offense on hexbear? now i’ve seen everything
too bad this one was over east european self-deprecation
