A teenager who video-recorded his mother’s forceful arrest by Louisiana sheriff’s deputies in 2020 has been awarded $185,000 by a federal jury in a lawsuit filed over one deputy’s attempt to interfere with the recording.
I would rather make the police union responsible. It’s the only union Republicans care about and the only union that exists in part to oppress union organizers.
The second the police union has to start footing the bill, you’ll suddenly see a whole lot of cops being fired and accountability for behavior materialize out of the ether.
You’ll also see a whole lot of violence in the streets, too, to be clear. Cause if theres one things cops just cant fucking stand, its being held accountable, and they’ll burn the entire system down to prevent it…or, failing that, out of spite.
The second the police union has to start footing the bill, you’ll suddenly see a whole lot of cops being fired and accountability for behavior materialize out of the ether
Fat chance. What’s more likely is that you’ll see new laws pop up making it illegal to sue the police. These dirtbags aren’t giving up their control.
I guess I’m just not happy with the idea of some insurance company taking the hit. It still doesn’t hit cops directly enough even if their rates go up. Start making the union pay and maybe the union will make their members get in line.
The advantage of having officers carry malpractice insurance is the same as it is with doctors. Eventually, the premiums to insure a bad officer get so high, no one is willing to pay them. Or, they simply uninsurable, as no company is willing to take on the risk. It also means there will be a large and politically connected organization (insurance companies) which have a financial interest in collecting data on bad police officers. Sure, that should be the government’s job, but since we know that’s not happening, why not exploit corporate greed for a positive thing?
We say ACAB because any high school kid knows what lunch table has the bullies. When it’s matters of life/death/power imbalances, there is a moral obligation to sound the alarm on that table.
But no cops ever seem to call out the psychopaths with guns amongst them. And in a position of power, that is just as bad.
They don’t need to incentivize coverups. They happen all the time regardless. And body cams make it a lot more difficult. Body cams conveniently not working at a specific time doesn’t look great either. Of course, cops generally get off anyway.
Even more than pretty much every time a cop anywhere in the country seriously fucks up? Or have you heard a lot about cases where cops are open about some wrongdoing they were responsible for lately?
“More coverups” does not equal “police state.” They can’t cover up more than they’re already trying to cover up because, again, they try to cover it up every single time.
Yeah, the taxpayers should be completely off the hook!
Now, how do we best ignore the overwhelming support taxpayers have for police, police brutality, and for supporting corrupt sheriffs that regularly get reelected?
I get your point, I just disagree that taxpayers shouldn’t be on the hook for all the black people we’ve killed and the families we’ve destroyed.
I’m not a fan of the continuous buck passing that seems foundational to American culture and I don’t believe “making police unions pay for it” will solve a “problem” that most Americans support. If I had to guess, cops would likely just rob from more black and brown people to make up for the loss
I don’t really see the comparison you’re trying to make. My point wasn’t based solely on the support they receive. Feel free to ask any questions if you’d like to understand what I’m saying/trying to say.
That said, I think insurance makes a bit more sense, but as I responded to another comment, I don’t think it makes sense for Americans to use taxpayer money to train a racist agency to brutalize black and brown (and increasingly poor white) people for profit and then wash its hands of all the blood that results and pretend it’s just the cops that are the bad guys, like they weren’t trained to act the exact way they behave
I mean, aren’t all racists, sexists, religious-extremists, and the like, brainwashed?
I don’t typically feel it’s right to “blame”, for lack of a better term, poor or stupid people for their financial issues or their inability to acquire and apply new knowledge, so I’m inclined to answer yes to your question. However, I also don’t support “brainwashed” people that hurt, harass, or injur others. I can, and do, have compassion for them to try and understand how they came to believe, speak, and behave the way they do, but they don’t get a pass. They’re still responsible for changing their beliefs, the way they speak, and they way they behave.
Trump may be a lot of things, but I don’t suspect he’s into being dominated or shamed sexually. That’s why the Russian pee tapes always seemed so outlandish. And now that I think about it, I bet the cops aren’t into it either, the only corporal punishment they’re dishing out is to their wives.
So if a worker somewhere breaks something, every single employee should be held responsible for that?
I’ll say the same thing as Flying Squid with different words: How many times have you seen a cop in any discussion, offline (edit: online) or in person, be pissed off about a shitty cop? If your answer is anything more than “almost never” I’m going to be fairly skeptical.
Police have made it clear that they will do whatever they want, and fuck what we think, even when there is clear video evidence.
You have a group of folks with immense authority, a criminal justice system that elevates their word and testimony above that of others, and a literal license to kill, which seems not to be made up of particularly compassionate people, or many who can think much beyond “hit it, tase it, or shoot it until it does what I want.” And who trains them in and reinforces this behavior? The other police they work with.
Why wouldn’t they keep doing what they do when they have this scam in place: Taxpayers pay police budget --> police fuck people up --> Taxpayers pay the inevitable settlement which includes a gag order for victims and no admission of wrongdoing --> Police have no incentive to change their behavior, so don’t --> Taxpayers pay police budget…
Where’s the incentive to change policies and procedures? They’ve shown public trust and opinion isn’t something they value, so what’s left?
…which gets paid to the teen by the taxpayers rather than the police union, which should be paying.
Should be the cop’s personal liability insurance since they were breaking the law.
I would rather make the police union responsible. It’s the only union Republicans care about and the only union that exists in part to oppress union organizers.
The second the police union has to start footing the bill, you’ll suddenly see a whole lot of cops being fired and accountability for behavior materialize out of the ether.
You’ll also see a whole lot of violence in the streets, too, to be clear. Cause if theres one things cops just cant fucking stand, its being held accountable, and they’ll burn the entire system down to prevent it…or, failing that, out of spite.
Fat chance. What’s more likely is that you’ll see new laws pop up making it illegal to sue the police. These dirtbags aren’t giving up their control.
Good. Fire the thugs and lock them up
They’d pay in higher insurance. Or by not hiring people who make their insurance go up.
But yeah, they should foot the bill somehow, too.
I guess I’m just not happy with the idea of some insurance company taking the hit. It still doesn’t hit cops directly enough even if their rates go up. Start making the union pay and maybe the union will make their members get in line.
The advantage of having officers carry malpractice insurance is the same as it is with doctors. Eventually, the premiums to insure a bad officer get so high, no one is willing to pay them. Or, they simply uninsurable, as no company is willing to take on the risk. It also means there will be a large and politically connected organization (insurance companies) which have a financial interest in collecting data on bad police officers. Sure, that should be the government’s job, but since we know that’s not happening, why not exploit corporate greed for a positive thing?
Take it out of their pension fund.
Oh now that I like.
ACAB - all cops are broke.
Real reactionaries too
Insurance companies screw over everyone. That’s what they do. I’m okay with them sharing.
Insurance companies are never mandated to take a policy - pushing up premiums is an effective way to discourage future bad behavior.
If they paid in being more cautious about hiring shitty cops I’d call that a win… while ACAB, some are definitely much bigger assholes.
We say ACAB because any high school kid knows what lunch table has the bullies. When it’s matters of life/death/power imbalances, there is a moral obligation to sound the alarm on that table.
But no cops ever seem to call out the psychopaths with guns amongst them. And in a position of power, that is just as bad.
One bad apple spoils the whole bunch.
Beau had a good take, that incentivizes cover-ups.
They don’t need to incentivize coverups. They happen all the time regardless. And body cams make it a lot more difficult. Body cams conveniently not working at a specific time doesn’t look great either. Of course, cops generally get off anyway.
Incentivizes even more cover-ups then.
Even more than pretty much every time a cop anywhere in the country seriously fucks up? Or have you heard a lot about cases where cops are open about some wrongdoing they were responsible for lately?
Yes, even more than before. C’mon. I’m out.
It is difficult when ‘even more’ isn’t possible.
It is. Try sueing the police in coutries that incentivize coverups more, like Iran. You’ll just disappear.
“More coverups” does not equal “police state.” They can’t cover up more than they’re already trying to cover up because, again, they try to cover it up every single time.
We can’t punish cops or they will just get better at lying!
Is that actually the extent of your take, or all that made it through the keyboard?
Yeah, the taxpayers should be completely off the hook!
Now, how do we best ignore the overwhelming support taxpayers have for police, police brutality, and for supporting corrupt sheriffs that regularly get reelected?
Overwhelming support for police does not mean that taxpayers should be on the hook when they fuck up.
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I get your point, I just disagree that taxpayers shouldn’t be on the hook for all the black people we’ve killed and the families we’ve destroyed.
I’m not a fan of the continuous buck passing that seems foundational to American culture and I don’t believe “making police unions pay for it” will solve a “problem” that most Americans support. If I had to guess, cops would likely just rob from more black and brown people to make up for the loss
There’s also overwhelming support for doctors, who carry personal liability insurance and don’t get bailed out by the taxpayers when they screw up.
I don’t really see the comparison you’re trying to make. My point wasn’t based solely on the support they receive. Feel free to ask any questions if you’d like to understand what I’m saying/trying to say.
That said, I think insurance makes a bit more sense, but as I responded to another comment, I don’t think it makes sense for Americans to use taxpayer money to train a racist agency to brutalize black and brown (and increasingly poor white) people for profit and then wash its hands of all the blood that results and pretend it’s just the cops that are the bad guys, like they weren’t trained to act the exact way they behave
Can you blame people for being brainwashed?
That’s a tough question. I’d say it depends.
I mean, aren’t all racists, sexists, religious-extremists, and the like, brainwashed?
I don’t typically feel it’s right to “blame”, for lack of a better term, poor or stupid people for their financial issues or their inability to acquire and apply new knowledge, so I’m inclined to answer yes to your question. However, I also don’t support “brainwashed” people that hurt, harass, or injur others. I can, and do, have compassion for them to try and understand how they came to believe, speak, and behave the way they do, but they don’t get a pass. They’re still responsible for changing their beliefs, the way they speak, and they way they behave.
Why should the police union be held responsible?
if a steel-worker breaks a machine, do you also wanna hold the union responsible?
no, this was this single specific person. He should be held reliable, noone else. Collective punishment is not a good thing, you know?
Because the unions shield the cops and fund their legal defenses and because that single person is almost never held responsible.
Also, I don’t know what you think corporal punishment is, but it isn’t that.
Maybe giving the cops a good spanking when they break the law might help.
They’d probably be into it like their daddy Trump.
Trump may be a lot of things, but I don’t suspect he’s into being dominated or shamed sexually. That’s why the Russian pee tapes always seemed so outlandish. And now that I think about it, I bet the cops aren’t into it either, the only corporal punishment they’re dishing out is to their wives.
You need to read about his trial. Stormy Daniels testified that he told her to spank her with a rolled up magazine with his own face on it.
Being humiliated by yourself, that’s wild!
Yeah, seargent punishment is worse, not to mention detective punishment, or even undercover punishment.
I hear Corporal Punishment doesn’t come without Major Pain.
Sherrif you say so, I guess…
(For those wondering at the joke this far down the thread… it’s “corporeal punishment”–corporal is a rank.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment
It is correct. It’s used in the same sense, too, bodily punishment, and corporals were head of a “body” of soldiers.
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*collective Punishment. Speech to text does funny things sometimes.
So if a worker somewhere breaks something, every single employee should be held responsible for that?
When “good” cops start actually working against the cops committing atrocities, I’ll worry about collective punishment for cops.
I’ll say the same thing as Flying Squid with different words: How many times have you seen a cop in any discussion,
offline(edit: online) or in person, be pissed off about a shitty cop? If your answer is anything more than “almost never” I’m going to be fairly skeptical.Police have made it clear that they will do whatever they want, and fuck what we think, even when there is clear video evidence.
You have a group of folks with immense authority, a criminal justice system that elevates their word and testimony above that of others, and a literal license to kill, which seems not to be made up of particularly compassionate people, or many who can think much beyond “hit it, tase it, or shoot it until it does what I want.” And who trains them in and reinforces this behavior? The other police they work with.
Why wouldn’t they keep doing what they do when they have this scam in place: Taxpayers pay police budget --> police fuck people up --> Taxpayers pay the inevitable settlement which includes a gag order for victims and no admission of wrongdoing --> Police have no incentive to change their behavior, so don’t --> Taxpayers pay police budget…
Where’s the incentive to change policies and procedures? They’ve shown public trust and opinion isn’t something they value, so what’s left?