The idea that human personalities and behaviors can be sorted into two simplistic piles or even a scale between two piles is just silly.

There’s no predictive value to it- you can’t objectively classify\quantify people’s ‘vertion’ and then predict behaviors or outcomes based on those classifications, not even statistically from a large sample set because it’s meaninglessly subjective.

People are complex. Someone might appear ‘introverted’ in a social situation they’re unfamiliar with, but in a different setting my appear ‘extroverted’ because they’re very comfortable.

And some will say “social interactions give energy to extro and take it from intro” but what the hell does ‘energy’ mean in that context anyway? If I go to a small party with close friends all talking about sci-fi I’ll enjoy myself all night and feel refreshed, but I’d be exhausted after 30 minutes at a rave and need a week to recover.

And do people migrate between intro-extro throughout their life? In my 20’s I felt compelled to meet and experience new people all the time but now in my mid-40’s I don’t really care and tend to stick to the people I know. Does that mean I turned more introverted at some point? That’s why even as a personality scale it’s nonsense.

It’s all just Myers-Briggs for dummies, which is already for dummies.

The only way it makes sense is as a description of immediate behavior, not of a personality. Someone may be ‘behaving in an introverted way’ but saying that makes them an ‘introvert’ is nonsense because they may go somewhere else and behave in an extroverted way an hour later.

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    Bullshit.

    One bit of research discovered that introverts prefer quiet, so as to concentrate on work, whereas extraverts preferred music, to distract them from the work they were doing.

    As Nick Yee, if I remember his name right, pointed out in one of his talks on yt, look up Gamer Motivations GDC ( I think it was GDC ), but he did research into gamer motivations, and in one of his talks he shows us the difference between the fake Myers-Briggs 2-bell-curves ( 1 bell-curve for introverts, another for extraverts ), then he explains that all the research has shown there’s really only 1 bell-curve, so “ambivert” is an artifact of the fake science of the false-dichotomy that Myers-Briggs pushes.

    I’m hard-line introvert: I’d rather be executed honestly, than have to endure what extraverts want.

    Jung was right, in that it’s significant, but it isn’t what Myers-Briggs pretends it is.

    It is a fundamental thing, where introverts are damaged by social-interaction amounts that feed extraverts.

    I can’t remember who it was who explained that you can take a stuffed-animal with a bell on it, or something, & jiggle it above a baby, & some babies will, after awhile, become agitated/crying/freaking-out/etc…

    Those are statistically-likely to be introverts: you crossed their threshold.

    The ones who like the endless-stimulation? extraverts.

    Finding ANY predictor which works from babies to entire-lives, & has statistical-significance, is important evidence.

    That may have been in Nick Yee’s video, too, or some other, I’ve no idea ( been studying mind for decades: it’s all a mishmosh in my memory, now )

    Anyways, cheers, eh?

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      No, it’s not bullshit, it’s science illiterate pop psychology.

      Introversion and extroversion are things. “Introverts” and “extroverts” are reductive simplifications. Introversion and extroversion are nowhere near as binary as sexuality, and sexuality is still an extremely wide spectrum.

      You’ve probably experienced fear at some point in your life. Would it make sense — for that reason alone — to label you a coward?

      I’m hard-line introvert

      Yet you, by your own choice, wrote and posted a comment on a public forum. Purposefully communicated your thoughts to the extraneous world. So you’re not a “real introvert”, clesrly. ^/s

      God I’m tired of people pretending people have fundamental differences to the point of being different things, instead of understanding traits can be high or low and different in different contexts and that reductive simple labels only make things worse.

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        You’ve probably experienced fear at some point in your life. Would it make sense — for that reason alone — to label you a coward?

        lolwut

        No, if he cowered to everything ever, then he would be a coward. Just like he’s an introvert if he gets drained from too much intense socialization, ever.

        I think you need to severely adjust your knowledge of concepts and confidence in said knowledge.

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          I think you need to severely adjust your knowledge of concepts and confidence in said knowledge.

          Says a person who just asserted that some people actually are “cowards” and implies that’s somehow a fixed quality.

          Like I said, pop-psychology bs.

          Traits of extroversion and introversion exist. Introverts or extroverts don’t exist any more than lovers or criers or laughers.

          Just because you wish to identify more with introversion than extroversion — just because you display more introversion than extroversion, does not make you an “introvert” or an “extrovert”.

          They’re convenient pop-psych shorthand. Not actual science.