The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home.
I bold something there for you. Also I get you are prob some libertarian from the midwest, but please dont take some statistical anomaly and make a generalization. Besides if you are from the midwest you know that people without kids and gun often drink in combination. Are you going to argue that that is responsible gun ownership too?
I am being reasonable here. Please to ruin lemmy with bad faith takes.
Is English not your first language? ‘Their’ in that context refers to the person you were replying to: SupraMario.
And as far as Midwesterners and more specifically my political beliefs; while we Minnesotans have a proud tradition of independence, we’re not all Jesse Ventura. Our most popular party is the DFL, which is somewhat distinct from the national Democrat party, and we’ve supported (D) presidential candidates more than any other state. I’m more in the camp of ‘If you go far enough left you get the guns back’. Every gun club I’ve been a member of has had strong membership support of safe handling and storage, but what that looks like differs based on multiple factors such as whether there are children in the household. Not drinking before or during shooting is often in the club’s bylaws.
The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home.
The answer to that is because that is where they live. Are you not in your home most of the time? If you some how are not you are a statistical outlier and not relevant to the conversation.
To be clear, that is the kind of disgusting justifications for poor gun ownership and disingenuous takes i was calling out earlier in the thread.
Why are you assuming that a kid has access to a firearm if it’s locked behind a door?
I mean I know what you’re going for here, kids find parents gun and shoot someone or shoot themselves. That’s just being a shit parent. Kinda like the kid getting your keys and crashing your car. Or finding the matches and burning down the house. There is a level of personal responsibility that is required to have kids and be an adult. There is also a level of “stupid people are going to do stupid shit” that we must accept for the personal freedom we are granted. Let’s not suggest that we should curtail our freedoms because stupid people exist. We can’t play nanny to everyone.
Let’s not suggest that we should curtail our freedoms because stupid people exist. We can’t play nanny to everyone.
Classic libertarian move to be disingenuous and walk away with the wrong point to justify bad behavior. Come back when you are mature and ready to leave the bad faith takes behind.
I get your point, but let’s be serious. That point is about being responsible. How often do fire extinguishers get kids killed?
The question is how often are they not used and kids die in fires?
Same question is, how often are kids killed by the police?
Idk but i don’t think fires are all that common, and we have plenty of other mechanisms to prevent fires from even happening.
OTOH, guns being stored incorrectly is for sure far higher than any fire death you are trying to make equivalent.
I am not strawmanning you here, but i am calling you out for being disingenuous. Like I said:
Please don’t do backflips to justify irresponsible gun owners. That is disgusting.
The strawman is that you assume children would ever be in their home. If the guns are behind locked doors away from children, they’re secured.
Why would that be a wrong assumption? I am not sure what you are getting at here.
Really? You shouldn’t have to put in much effort to realize that not every adult has children or has family with children.
I bold something there for you. Also I get you are prob some libertarian from the midwest, but please dont take some statistical anomaly and make a generalization. Besides if you are from the midwest you know that people without kids and gun often drink in combination. Are you going to argue that that is responsible gun ownership too?
I am being reasonable here. Please to ruin lemmy with bad faith takes.
Is English not your first language? ‘Their’ in that context refers to the person you were replying to: SupraMario.
And as far as Midwesterners and more specifically my political beliefs; while we Minnesotans have a proud tradition of independence, we’re not all Jesse Ventura. Our most popular party is the DFL, which is somewhat distinct from the national Democrat party, and we’ve supported (D) presidential candidates more than any other state. I’m more in the camp of ‘If you go far enough left you get the guns back’. Every gun club I’ve been a member of has had strong membership support of safe handling and storage, but what that looks like differs based on multiple factors such as whether there are children in the household. Not drinking before or during shooting is often in the club’s bylaws.
Not everyone who has guns has kids, and not everyone who has kids, allows their kids to access their firearms. That’s part of being responsible.
Now you are being silly and pedantic.
The answer to that is because that is where they live. Are you not in your home most of the time? If you some how are not you are a statistical outlier and not relevant to the conversation.
To be clear, that is the kind of disgusting justifications for poor gun ownership and disingenuous takes i was calling out earlier in the thread.
Why are you assuming that a kid has access to a firearm if it’s locked behind a door?
I mean I know what you’re going for here, kids find parents gun and shoot someone or shoot themselves. That’s just being a shit parent. Kinda like the kid getting your keys and crashing your car. Or finding the matches and burning down the house. There is a level of personal responsibility that is required to have kids and be an adult. There is also a level of “stupid people are going to do stupid shit” that we must accept for the personal freedom we are granted. Let’s not suggest that we should curtail our freedoms because stupid people exist. We can’t play nanny to everyone.
Classic libertarian move to be disingenuous and walk away with the wrong point to justify bad behavior. Come back when you are mature and ready to leave the bad faith takes behind.