A while ago we had a post with a comic that was a bit controversial due to it being generated by genAI, but we did not explicitly have a rule against it.
We wanted to discuss this and ask the community, but this apparently had already been a topic on feddit.uk for awhile and they have made a instance rule about it (announced in this post).
Since buyeuropean community is on feddit.uk, the feddit.uk rules apply to this community and therefore I wanted to announce this new rule so it doesn’t come as a surprise.
Copy of the post body text from the announcement of this rule on feddit.uk:
So no:
- AI generated memes of images
- AI generated answers to questions
edit: this applies to feddit.uk communities, we won’t block AI art communities on other instances or sanction our users for posting on them.
I want to mention I’m personally not against AI generated content, and don’t know why so many people seem against all forms of AI, especially when it comes to images, but i am against wrong information and low effort crap so it will just say you do you feddit.uk and good of our community to follow the instance.
I’m against it because of the questionable ways AI gets trained (stealing art or books for example) and also because of the environmental impacts.
With the unethical training habits and energy consumption from megacorps, in addition to just being brain-killing slop, AI generated content should have no place in social media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorcerer's_Apprentice
I agree those two are bad things, but it is to me not enough reason to ban it entirely.
You’re ignoring one very problematic aspect: these artists and authors they’re stealing from? They have no way to opt-in or opt-out. These multi-billion dollar companies can just slurp up whatever they want, and they do. What’s your favorite web comic artist or indie musician going to do? Sue them? With what money?
Nowhere is consent a consideration, and until these companies start acting in good faith and instead of like billionaires (fat chance), they should not be allowed to run their slop generators.
If you generally mean “machine learning,” I agree that there’s good applications, such as in medicine. The arts, though? It has no business there.
Still disagree although I agree that is a very problematic aspect. I think the ai companies have been given too much freedom. I’m also fine with everybody choosing not to use it. I also agree artists were fucked over and deserve artistic credits and financial compensation, I will support them getting this. I myself have not generated an image that looks like something from Ghibli for example. But still, all things considered; I don’t think banning all ai generated content a reasonable thing to do. But that has more to do with my world view concerning individual freedom than how I view ai generated things and the behaviour of ai companies.
What’s your take on AI like Adobe’s Firefly? it’s supposedly trained on their own licensed stock images, the artists get paid and they can opt-in / opt-out.
It was not, their claims are not verifiable as they also used “third party datasets” without disclosing which ones. Also supposedly opt-out options appeared after they used their stocks to train/fine tune Firefly which contradict their promise of notifying users before doing so and likely illegal in most European countries. To add to that, their stocks are not curated/moderated and anyone can upload the whole collection of an artist there without agreement (opt-out is a deeply flawed system that protect no one), not to mention that the “pay” the contributors received was absolutely ridiculous…
Yeah my main interest in this community is the topic, and thankfully this doesn’t really affect this community dramatically since the content that people post is generally not related to AI.
And anyway, good to have clear guidelines. There are plenty of communities where the focus is AI (or anti-AI) and for feddit.uk users who want to participate still can (the ban is about communities hosted on feddit.uk, they are not defederating or banning AI on remote communities).
I think living in a democracy (and I consider this also as one, dispute there not being elections) is accepting I don’t make the rules. And in that case I rather have clear rules I disagree with than vague rules that give me a desire to argue about my interpretation of them all the time.
Also good that we follow the instance, since that means that if people have a problem with a certain rule than there is a set place for that discussion and we as a community can be free of arguments about them. Plus if I want to try and change a certain rule, I know where I need to direct my time and energy to.