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“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
    828·
    9 months ago

    things biden has done fuck all on:

    • voter rights
    • protecting civil liberties.
    • equality.
    • get private equity out of elections
    • stop israel. (and yes, he can at least change course here.)
    • abortion access. I mean, seriously. They’re saying embryos are kids now.

    Things he’s not done enough on:

    • Domestic Terrorism. Literally all he did was direct a useless AG and DoJ to pursue it more. That’s it.
    • consequences for Jan 6 to the leadership behind it- that is Trump and Trump’s inner circle.
    • police reform.
    • Climate change (seriously, most of this is just corpo subsidies.)
    • Aid to Ukraine

    I mean, are there really any issues he’s actually peformed to expectations on?

    • JC1@lemmy.ca
      53·
      9 months ago

      I agree you have it bad there. Unfortunately in politics we have to vote for the least bad option. On all the issue listed though, a lot is due to congress, mainly because people decided that republicans and their idea of not governing is preferable to democrats. Personally, I know the options are very bad, but I the sliver of democracy is still worth it to try to preserve in order to have the option to influence the next time around.

      • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
        11·
        9 months ago

        I just want to say this “litmus test” bullshit you’ve presented is close to the grossest thing I’ve seen on here. People have fought and died for the right to have private votes, your “However” shows prejudice and the dangers of political identities corrupting normal conversations.

        • Ekybio@lemmy.worldOP
          11·
          9 months ago

          A right you will loose, if you dont vote Biden this time and let Trump win.

          Political Identities corrupting a conversation? There is an open fascist running for president, and some people STILL wont stand in the way of that.

          There is no normal conversation anymore!

          • Cataphract@lemmy.ml
            1·
            9 months ago

            You do realize the irony in saying I will lose a right if I don’t give up the right to my vote? I wish everyone would just be honest about this conversation, if you presented it as continued Oligarchy vs Fascism you might actually persuade some people instead of pretending it’s still a democracy.

            But regardless, you asking people to present their voting preference for how you conduct a conversation is just insulting and dangerous. This is when extreme ideologies look identical and I can’t tell which side people are presenting.

            • Ekybio@lemmy.worldOP
              1·
              9 months ago

              Oh the “present your voting choice” is an effective-filter for trolls who want to both-sides-bad the argument presented. And to trigger some guys who REALLY dont understand that voting is often, sadly, a strategic choice that does not benefit from high-minded morals in the face of Fascism.

              You can go around on other comment section and ask them if they will vote for Biden or not. And see how people choke on their pride, begging to be the smuggest guy on the train…

              It also cuts straight to the point: You either vote for the bad choice, Biden in this case, to delay fascism and give Democracy more time to live. Or the GOP more to crumble.

              Or you dont. And loose it all.

              Call it informed-simplicity if you will, because sometimes the world is just that in the end. Simple.

              You vote for the lesser evil at the ballot. Always.

              And after that duty is done, you do the REAL political work by organising. Always.

              No change will be made at the ballot. That is just to buy us more time to unionise, educate comming generations and build communities.