House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration’s authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.

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    5 days ago

    it seems they didn’t support Israel enough

    Seeing as centrists dems cant win without the left I dont think your point matters. The left isnt about to make any deals that include genocide, period. Not hard genocide, not diet-genocide. Harris could have won by breaking from Biden and calling Bidens actions genocide, but she refused to and she lost the voters. And if the next dem does the same they will lose the same. Its really that simple. And yes, the people that left their ballot blank or voted third party will do the exact same thing again, even as Trump burns the country down.

    If we have to burn a country to the ground with murderous war crime enabling policies, our system does not deserve to exist either.

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      America’s far left are centrists

      Your point of burning the system to the ground i can get behind but your proposal of doing that by letting fascists decide how to rebuild it instead of using violence (if you’re a terrorist) or public protests (if you’re a pacifist) is not something I would suggest

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        I’m not exactly in favor of burning it down either if I am allowed that choice, but my actions are limited to: vote Dem, vote republicans, not vote, or vote third party. And I dont see how I get to no genocide plus please dont burn my world down from those choices.

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      Harris could have won by breaking from Biden

      By taking a tougher line on Israel than Biden? Possibly yes.

      and calling Bidens actions genocide,

      No, that could have completely sunk her campaign. Because “genocide” is hyperbole. Just because people here rarely bother to point out that “genocide” is obvious hyperbole, does not mean that the vast majority of voters do not know that using the word “genocide” is obvious hyperbole.

      (1) Biden didn’t have any “actions” in Gaza. That was Hamas and Israel

      (2) War crimes are not the same thing as “genocide”. Genocide means trying to exterminate an entire population.

      (3) A war is not the same as war crimes. There has to be intentional killings of civilians.

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        No, that could have completely sunk her campaign. Because “genocide” is hyperbole. Just because people here rarely bother to point out that “genocide” is obvious hyperbole, does not mean that the vast majority of voters do not know that using the word “genocide” is obvious hyperbole.

        The Palestinian Genocide is a genocide.

        This is not up for debate.

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          Hyperbole is hyperbole. It is precisely because 99% of people know that it is hyperbole, and they know that 99% of people know it is hyperbole, that nobody bothers to point out the obvious to you.

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          Yep. I always avoid bullshit. If it wasn’t bullshit you would have tried to refute my 3 points. But we both know you can’t. Did you really think that 99% of people didn’t know this was hyperbole just because nobody thought this hypobole was important enough to issue a reality check before?