Also I really don’t understand why staggered joysticks are the standard.
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Staggered joysticks are the standard because Microsoft Xinput is the standard.
Xinput is the standard because for about a decade, it was the one controller interface that actually worked without issue for a lot of people.
Microsoft controllers worked for a lot of people on PC because Microsoft controlled the most popular console and the most popular OS. Sony and Nintendo had no interest in supporting their controllers for PC.
Microsoft maintained a similar controller layout to their original Xbox console.
The original Xbox controller was designed before the advent of popular dual-stick games (the first of which was the original Halo). At the time, the right control stick was seen as a secondary control for the camera in third person platformers (see also the c-stick on the Gamecube).
The original Xbox controller design was cribbed from the Dreamcast, which was to-date the nicest and most ergonomic controller. The Xbox design added the second control stick below the buttons.
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The only other dual-stick design at the time was that of the Playstation, on which both control sticks were secondary, an afterthought not even present on the original PS1 controller. Making the left control stick “primary” was progress.
Nintendo briefly ended up in the same boat as Sony, when they added secondary control sticks to the original SNES design to create the Wii Classic Controller.
The only controller that tried to make both control sticks primary was the Nintendo Wii U, which unfortunately failed for unrelated reasons. I had one, and the symmetry was glorious, for those few brief years.
Nintendo relented and went with the staggered design for the release of the Nintendo Switch, on which the asymmetry was necessary in order for both joycons to also be able to function as separate controllers.
I find them more comfortable. The left joystick is the primary for movement, and the primary interface should be on top because that’s how thumbs work. The right needs to jump from the joystick to the buttons, so having the buttons be to the top and right makes sense (again, where thumbs go).
I have a PS4 controller for my PC because it supports Bluetooth and works OOTB with Linux, but I honestly prefer my old XBox controller. I’m probably going to get a PS5 controller, not because it’s more ergonomic (it’s not), but because it has gyro aiming. Playstation controllers aren’t uncomfortable, they’re just not as comfortable as offset joysticks.
Valve can sell devices at a loss and make it up in game sales. None of the current handheld makers have been able to compete on price as a result. I don’t expect that to change any time soon.
I wouldn’t think so. They already sell the legion go at a loss and rumors of a legion go lite (which is what this device looks like) price it at around the same price as a steam deck.
You can map a ton of inputs to them or use them for mouse control or more precise stick/dpad control, for a couple examples. I would never buy another handheld without them.
As an alternative to thumbsticks for shooters and such. My understanding is when you get used to them they’re great for that. I was never able to get used to them on the OG steam controller.
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Why do none of these have trackpads? Also I really don’t understand why staggered joysticks are the standard.
SteamOS is definitely a step in the right direction, but the layout still looks not quite as good as the steam deck.
In case you were actually curious, here is the reverse timeline:
Also of note:
I find them more comfortable. The left joystick is the primary for movement, and the primary interface should be on top because that’s how thumbs work. The right needs to jump from the joystick to the buttons, so having the buttons be to the top and right makes sense (again, where thumbs go).
I have a PS4 controller for my PC because it supports Bluetooth and works OOTB with Linux, but I honestly prefer my old XBox controller. I’m probably going to get a PS5 controller, not because it’s more ergonomic (it’s not), but because it has gyro aiming. Playstation controllers aren’t uncomfortable, they’re just not as comfortable as offset joysticks.
Maybe they’re trying to aim for the crowd for whom the Deck is too expensive, and shaving off some of the hardware helps?
I mean, it does sound like a significant drawback, but if you gotta get the cost down, I suppose that’s one thing to look at.
Valve can sell devices at a loss and make it up in game sales. None of the current handheld makers have been able to compete on price as a result. I don’t expect that to change any time soon.
I wouldn’t think so. They already sell the legion go at a loss and rumors of a legion go lite (which is what this device looks like) price it at around the same price as a steam deck.
I’ve never once used the trackpad outside of desktop mode and even then it had limited use cases. What do other people use them for?
You can map a ton of inputs to them or use them for mouse control or more precise stick/dpad control, for a couple examples. I would never buy another handheld without them.
I used them to dismiss the EA middleware bullshit, and Cities Skyline.
They’re essential for Factorio, the factory must grow!
As an alternative to thumbsticks for shooters and such. My understanding is when you get used to them they’re great for that. I was never able to get used to them on the OG steam controller.