This iconic mouse is weeks away fromn being in the public domain Jan. 1, 2024, is the day when ‘Steamboat Willie’ enters the public domain

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    11 months ago

    I disagree. That would just result in corporations like Disney ripping off independent artists.

    But limit it to the artist’s life time or perhaps 25 years.

    IRC drug patents last only 20 years, and those often cost a lot of money to develop, research and bring to market.

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      11 months ago

      That would just result in corporations like Disney ripping off independent artists.

      Fucking thank you.

      The whole “copyrights should be abolished” trope is regurgitated by people who have clearly never created anything in their life. For artists, musicians, and other content creators, copyright is vital to our lives.

      If you think Disney is powerful now, imagine what Disney would be like if no other creators had any legal protection at all.

      • Jaded@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        11 months ago

        The problem is that copyright law is never used by the small artists to protect their work, it’s only used by big corporations to put down the small artists, fuck with each other and find loop holes to abuse of it.

        There’s what it should be for and what it’s actually used for.

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          11 months ago

          You’re approaching a relevant part (that big corporations have an overwhelming power advantage in this “negotiation”), but “small artists never use copyright law” is just wrong:

          Without copyright law they couldn’t even sell their content (or more accurately: they could sell it, but the big corp could simply copy it and sell it better/cheaper due to the economics of scale).

          So without copyright the smaller artists would be even more boned than they are right now.

          • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldOP
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            11 months ago

            That I can get behind!

            Right now the law allows them to basically say, “oops, we kinda thought we owned that. Our bad.” And walk away only to issue an identical takedown the next week.

            I have a video series that gets a DMCA claim on the intro (that I made) every single time that I have to submit a counter claim. It’s always overturned, but I have zero recourse to stop it from happening.

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          11 months ago

          I know numerous small artists who use copyright to protect their work and get paid when people use their music in streams/videos, take down misuse of their graphic work, work with publishers to license their work, etc.

          Copyright works fairly well for small creators.

          Of course corporations abuse it like every other law. We don’t say that home ownership should be abolished because landlords are shitty.

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          11 months ago

          copyright law is never used by the small artists to protect their work

          Tell me you’re not an artist without telling me you’re not an artist.

          My friend, this is precisely the kind of thing I was alluding to in my previous post when I said “regurgitated by people who have clearly never created anything in their life.” I promise you that as an artist I have used copyright law to protect my work, and so has just about every artist I know. I don’t even know what you’re imagining to make you say something so patently false.

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        11 months ago

        It’s funny how often that argument comes up in FOSS (Free and open source software) circles where people just claim copyright is fundamentally wrong, but at the same time complain when someone violates any FOSS license (all of which depend on copyright to be enforcable).

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          11 months ago

          These two takes aren’t incompatible. It is possible to want to abolish copyright, while wanting everyone to comply to existing rules while they aren’t abolished yet.

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            11 months ago

            Sure, but in most of these discussions the ones arguing for “getting rid of copyright” mostly just mean “stop big companies from owning everything”. When mentioning that FOSS licenses depend on copyright to work it’s usually some form of “we’d have to find a way to still make them work …”.

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        11 months ago

        You say Disney would be better without copyright at the same time we see Disney spending billions on lobby to make copyright almost eternal.

        To think that Disney would be happy if every artist could create, enhance and improve a Marvel version for themselves

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            11 months ago

            If you think Disney is powerful now, imagine what Disney would be like if no other creators had any legal protection at all.

            You say Disney would be better without copyright at the same time we see Disney spending billions on lobby to make copyright almost eternal.

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              11 months ago

              Wow. That’s not what I said at all. You quoted me and you still got what I said wrong.

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        11 months ago

        It’s because this entire take is just from the “corporations bad” crowd and that’s literally as far as they take their thought process.

        Any serious look at copyright and IP laws shows they badly need updating, across the spectrum.

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      11 months ago

      IMO copyright as a concept makes sense, but it’s duration should be significantly shortened. In todays short-lived world most works lose the majority of their financial value after a few years (let’s say ~10) anyways. So to allow artists to benefit from their creations while still allowing remixing or reasonably recent content I’d say some sane compromise is necessary.

      Either that or massively expand (and codify) what qualifies as fair use: let anyone reinterpret anything, but don’t allow verbatim copying.

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        11 months ago

        Current copyright law is ridiculously long. Life +70 years in many countries. So my grandfather’s books who passed away last year, will be locked up until most of his great grandchildren are in their 80’s or older.

        It should be moved to a flat 45 years, the expected career length of a working person.

    • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      That would just result in corporations like Disney ripping off independent artists.

      they already do