$64k is a great salary in my area of PA. I’m not familiar with GA but I imagine it’s the same. To put this into comparison, the average household income in GA is $75k and most households are two earners, so yeah, seems pretty good.
Which part? Can you explain your reasoning in a way that’s not just “nuh-uh”?
As I understand it, an average is when you add together several quantities and then divide that total by the number of quantities. How does this in any way affect actual living wage (or grades, in my given example)?
Just knowing that the average is 50 does not in any way tell you the grades of the majority of the class. Most of the kids could be passing while a few abysmal performers bring the average down.
That’s what you take issue with? That the analogy isn’t completely perfect? Do you get the general idea of what I’m saying, or does that slight inconsistency complete negate the entire argument?
The point is that an average isn’t indicative of overall health… it’s just a value representing the average income. It makes no bearing on actual economic health without comparing it to other factors.
The irony of not having a basic understanding of averages while talking about education.
Actually, you not understanding how averages work and then getting defensive when people corrected you is a pretty good argument for why we need to pay teachers more. Touché.
I mean it’s definitely nice but after pensions and taxes and everything else it’s probably like an extra $400 a month. Not exactly world shattering but definitely nice.
There are a shit ton of people in this country living on so little that an extra $400 per month would be huge for them.
There’s a percentage of those who would consider an extra $400 per month life changing money. If you were making minimum wage this would be the equivalent of working an extra 25 hours per week. Math is pre-tax.
Basically align yourself against any social movement that has money on the other side. Think like the oil industry. Once you pick up a small reputation you can get kickbacks on the side.
Bro. I saw the light and left academia shortly after my phd. I make a very good living doing other shit, mainly managing money and people. I do better than most tenured profs. So can you.
Sorry to hear that. The so-called “true poverty” line in NJ for a family of three is $70,327. It’s incredible to have a PhD and be below the adjusted poverty line for the state. Isn’t NJ incredibly expensive to live in? I’ve seen some crazy rent prices.
“complaining” is a bad term. Being a teacher requires a bachelor’s degree and often extra schooling on top of that. It’s the equivalent of a professional with a degree and industry certifications. Where I live, a degree and certs is enough to get 70K straight out of school and easily over 100k after a few years of experience. There’s absolutely no reason that teaching shouldn’t pay any less than what someone with similar education would be able to get in industry.
$64K isn’t really much these days.
My first thought was: that’s it? Really that little?
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President Biden deserves way more credit for getting what he’s done this term despite the GOP’s best efforts to hamstring it in every possible way.
Biden in the US and Trudeau in Canada both deserve a lot more credit than they get, but the mood in western nations is pretty sour.
That’s the reality of public school teacher pay all over the country.
The national average is under $70k
And that’s just average. Chances are teachers are making anywhere between 40-100K in GA with the majority probably below 64
$64k is a great salary in my area of PA. I’m not familiar with GA but I imagine it’s the same. To put this into comparison, the average household income in GA is $75k and most households are two earners, so yeah, seems pretty good.
Now do it with average households with college degrees, since that’s a more reasonable comparison.
Just because something is average doesn’t mean it’s good.
If the average grade of a class is fifty… that doesn’t mean it’s a good grade. It just means a majority of the class is failing.
That’s… not how averages work.
Which part? Can you explain your reasoning in a way that’s not just “nuh-uh”?
As I understand it, an average is when you add together several quantities and then divide that total by the number of quantities. How does this in any way affect actual living wage (or grades, in my given example)?
Just knowing that the average is 50 does not in any way tell you the grades of the majority of the class. Most of the kids could be passing while a few abysmal performers bring the average down.
That’s what you take issue with? That the analogy isn’t completely perfect? Do you get the general idea of what I’m saying, or does that slight inconsistency complete negate the entire argument?
The point is that an average isn’t indicative of overall health… it’s just a value representing the average income. It makes no bearing on actual economic health without comparing it to other factors.
The irony of not having a basic understanding of averages while talking about education.
Actually, you not understanding how averages work and then getting defensive when people corrected you is a pretty good argument for why we need to pay teachers more. Touché.
No, it wasn’t about perfection. It was about you being wrong.
It’s ok to just reflect and try to do better next time instead of dig in and defend a mistake. It’s how we grow.
The average GPA is 2.75. At 50% I would guesstimate 90% of kids are failing school. Usually 70% is passing. Where did the 50% "fifty"come from?
It’s double what I make.
Which is why $9,500 matters so much
I mean it’s definitely nice but after pensions and taxes and everything else it’s probably like an extra $400 a month. Not exactly world shattering but definitely nice.
There are a shit ton of people in this country living on so little that an extra $400 per month would be huge for them.
There’s a percentage of those who would consider an extra $400 per month life changing money. If you were making minimum wage this would be the equivalent of working an extra 25 hours per week. Math is pre-tax.
It is in Georgia.
Agreed, but I’d love to be making that as a professor here in NJ…
Have you considered getting tenure then making an absurd podcast?
I have tenure. Tell me about this podcast scheme.
Basically align yourself against any social movement that has money on the other side. Think like the oil industry. Once you pick up a small reputation you can get kickbacks on the side.
Bro. I saw the light and left academia shortly after my phd. I make a very good living doing other shit, mainly managing money and people. I do better than most tenured profs. So can you.
Tell me more.
You make less than 64K/year as a tenured professor in NJ? The average tenured-professor salary in New Jersey is $105,880 as of September 01, 2024.
I’m guessing some of this is on you and your choices somehow.
Yeah, not news to me. That’s just the breaks, man. Can’t all work as grantwriters at an R1 or in a med school.
Sorry to hear that. The so-called “true poverty” line in NJ for a family of three is $70,327. It’s incredible to have a PhD and be below the adjusted poverty line for the state. Isn’t NJ incredibly expensive to live in? I’ve seen some crazy rent prices.
I remember when teachers were complaining about making 24k a year in the last decade. (I’m just saying, not being contrarian)
“complaining” is a bad term. Being a teacher requires a bachelor’s degree and often extra schooling on top of that. It’s the equivalent of a professional with a degree and industry certifications. Where I live, a degree and certs is enough to get 70K straight out of school and easily over 100k after a few years of experience. There’s absolutely no reason that teaching shouldn’t pay any less than what someone with similar education would be able to get in industry.
I would probably slap your dad around for $64k