Mistral Small 22B just dropped today and I am blown away by how good it is. I was already impressed with Mistral NeMo 12B’s abilities, so I didn’t know how much better a 22B could be. It passes really tough obscure trivia that NeMo couldn’t, and its reasoning abilities are even more refined.

With Mistral Small I have finally reached the plateu of what my hardware can handle for my personal usecase. I need my AI to be able to at least generate around my base reading speed. The lowest I can tolerate is 1.5~T/s lower than that is unacceptable. I really doubted that a 22B could even run on my measly Nvidia GTX 1070 8G VRRAM card and 16GB DDR4 RAM. Nemo ran at about 5.5t/s on this system, so how would Small do?

Mistral Small Q4_KM runs at 2.5T/s with 28 layers offloaded onto VRAM. As context increases that number goes to 1.7T/s. It is absolutely usable for real time conversation needs. I would like the token speed to be faster sure, and have considered going with the lowest Q4 recommended to help balance the speed a little. However, I am very happy just to have it running and actually usable in real time. Its crazy to me that such a seemingly advanced model fits on my modest hardware.

Im a little sad now though, since this is as far as I think I can go in the AI self hosting frontier without investing in a beefier card. Do I need a bigger smarter model than Mistral Small 22B? No. Hell, NeMo was serving me just fine. But now I want to know just how smart the biggest models get. I caught the AI Acquisition Syndrome!

    • Smokeydope@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Thanks, I shouldn’t have said I felt sad about it thats a little hyperbolic, just a little bothered. Im much more happy about finding a model that pushes my AI to its maximum potential while still being usable in real time.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Oh, and you HAVE to try the new Qwen 2.5 14B.

    The whole lineup is freaking sick, 34B it outscoring llama 3.1 70B in a lot of benchmarks, and in personal use it feels super smart.

  • The Hobbyist@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    3 months ago

    How surprising, I did not see anything about mistral small on HN so I tried it out and it seems pretty good for its size! Thanks for sharing!

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    You can try a smaller IQ3 imatrix quantization to speed it up, but 22B is indeed tight for 8GB.

    If someone comes out with an AQLM for it, it might completely fit in VRAM, but I’m not sure it would even work for a Pascal card TBH.

    • Smokeydope@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Thanks for the recommendation. Today I tried out Mistral Small IQ4_XS in combination with running kobold through a headless terminal environment to squeeze out that last bit of vram. With that, the GPU layers offloaded were able to be bumped up from 28 to 34. The token speed went up from 2.7t/s to 3.7t/s which is like a 50% speed increase. I imagine going to Q3 would get things even faster or allow for a bump in context size.

      I appreciate you recommending Qwen too, ill look into it.

      • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        A Qwen 2.5 14B IQ3_M should completely fit in your VRAM, with longish context, with acceptable quality.

        An IQ4_XS will just barely overflow but should still be fast at short context.

        And while I have not tried it yet, the 14B is allegedly smart.

        Also, what I do on my PC is hook up my monitor to the iGPU so the GPU’s VRAM is completely empty, lol.

        • Smokeydope@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Hey @brucethemoose hope you don’t mind if I ding you one more time. Today I loaded up with qwen 14b and 32b. Yes, 32B (Q3_KS). I didn’t do much testing with 14B but it spoke well and fast. Was more excited to play with the 32B once I found out it would run to be honest. It just barely makes the mark of tolerable speed just under 2T/s (really more like 1.7 with some context loaded in). I really do mean barely, the people who think 5t/s is slow would eat their heart out. However that reasoning and coherence though? Off the charts. I like the way it speaks more than mistral small too. So wow just wow is all I can say. Can’t believe all the good models that came out in such a short time and leaps made in the past two months. Thank you again for recommending qwen don’t think I would have tried the 32B without your input.

          • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Good! Try the IQM, XS, and XSS quantizations as well, especially if you try a 14B, as they “squeeze” the model into less space better than the Q3_K quantizations.

            Yeah I’m liking the 32B as well. If you are looking for speed just for ultilitarian Q/A, you might want to keep a Deepseek Lite V2 Code GGUF on hand, as it’s uber fast partially offloaded.

      • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.oneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Ironically, if you ask ChatGPT to write you an initial system prompt for Hermes that will sound similar to its own, it will essentially share a trade secret with you and give up portions of its system prompt to make your 8B self hosted LLM perform like a commercial one.