• sunzu@kbin.run
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    6 days ago

    Bad historical facts hurt their ideology but let’s not pretend like other ideologies don’t do the same…

    Maybe if people use less ideology and more critical thinking, we would have higher quality discourse on issues that actually matter for working peasants.

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      5 days ago

      What’s depicted here in the picture actually is a problem facing communism even today: after the revolution failed during the 20s, with no industrialised nations joining up, communism became basically a tragic religion and ideology for the de-facto Russian imperialist state. They had to do some social democratic and socialist policies to justify it to themselves and the people, but in the end, it was about expanding markets and control of resources through expansion, and extracting value from their populace to reinvest into that project of growth of national capital, and trade on the world market. Engels even warned of that phenomenon in “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific” and Marx made clear what developments would be important for a society developing towards communism in “The Critique of the Gotha Programme”, and doing away with the law of value was on top of the necessities.

      Communism has to be reborn, and tankies have to accept the Soviet Union and China failed at it, and ideology won’t bring it about, but only material action and analysis.

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      6 days ago

      Nah, one side is just tankies and the other is just capitalist dogs. Mental gymnastics for denying stuff vs mental gymnastics for normalizing stuff. Best we can do with our minds, no place left for critical thinking.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPM
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        6 days ago

        I rolled a twenty for my thinking but the DM said I had to confirm it, and I rolled a 1 for the confirm, so now One Side Good, Other Side Bad

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          6 days ago

          I’m not getting what you mean. I’m not a D&D player and know just basic stuff about rolls. Would a confirmation roll here mean an outside manipulation of what would have come to pass?

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOPM
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            6 days ago

            The joke is that a 20 is a ‘critical’. However, the rules as written (though I’ve never actually played in a group that uses this rule), you have to roll a second time to ‘confirm’ a crit.

            The joke here, then, is that I was close to having ‘critical’ thinking, but I missed it, so now One Side Good, Other Side Bad.