• HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world
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    why don’t you outline a realistic plan that leads to neither Biden nor Trump being elected

    The Democrats replace Biden with a better candidate, like Gretchen Whitman.

    (Not Gavin Newsom. He’s just as pro-Israel as Biden.)

    and how you plan to achieve that

    Why is that my job?

    It’s astounding that you manage to miss the entire point of a trolley problem.

    Internet memes about the trolley problem actually fail to present it completely. After the ponderer decides that killing one person is better than killing five people, they are then asked if it’s okay to push a bystander off a bridge onto the train tracks if that would derail the train and prevent it killing five people.

    To me, the ultimate lesson of the trolley problem is that morality is not a matter of trading fewer lives for more lives. That’s why I’m not listening to your “Biden probably means fewer deaths than Trump” argument. Voting for either of them violates my sense of morality.

    I’d rather work on dismantling the tracks, even if it might take a while.

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      Why is that my job?

      Because you’re a citizen. That’s what being a citizen means. If you don’t want to share in political power, I’m given to understand there’s an wannabe autocrat who you’re currently assisting who will gladly take the ‘burden’ of responsibility away from you. That way when you smile at all the minorities being herded into death camps, you can say “Don’t worry! It wasn’t my decision!” as you close the gate behind them.

      Internet memes about the trolley problem actually fail to present it completely. After the ponderer decides that killing one person is better than killing five people, they are then asked if it’s okay to push a bystander off a bridge onto the train tracks if that would derail the train and prevent it killing five people.

      To me, the ultimate lesson of the trolley problem is that morality is not a matter of trading fewer lives for more lives. That’s why I’m not listening to your “Biden probably means fewer deaths than Trump” argument. Voting for either of them violates my sense of morality.

      Cool, so instead of seeing Palestinians die, you’re going to see MORE Palestinians die AND Americans AND Ukrainians AND see a decline in freedom, equality, and living standards across the board. Fucking wonderful. “Let’s make things worse, because that’s what my morality says is best!”

      You save literally no one, kill additional people, make the system worse, because… you don’t want to make a decision.

      That’s fucking vile.

      I’d rather work on dismantling the tracks, even if it might take a while.

      Cool, how do you think that’s going to work under an openly fascist regime?

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        Because you’re a citizen. That’s what being a citizen means.

        As a citizen, I am working on building support for third-party candidates who are outside of the Democrat-Republican Duopoly (which is really just a Monopoly).

        I don’t care if it’s realistic. It’s the only option I see. I’m not supporting a genocide.

        Relevant pic: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/11rrvt/be_this_guy/

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          As a citizen, I am working on building support for third-party candidates who are outside of the Democrat-Republican Duopoly (which is really just a Monopoly).

          Cool, you do realize that voting against fascism in this election doesn’t disable you from doing that, right? You… you do realize that a fascist getting in power will make building that support harder, right?

          … right…?

          I don’t care if it’s realistic. It’s the only option I see.

          This is the equivalent of ‘thoughts and prayers’. May not be realistic, but boy does it make you feel like you’re keeping your hands clean. I mean, ignore the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to die in various horrible ways because of your inaction, at least you didn’t have to make a choice. That would truly be terrible.

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            ignore the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to die in various horrible ways because of your inaction, at least you didn’t have to make a choice.

            Tens of thousands of men, women, and children are dying right now, and your guy is supporting it.

            And I am making a choice. I’m choosing third-party.

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              Tens of thousands of men, women, and children are dying right now, and your guy is supporting it.

              Thanks for affirming that you still don’t understand the trolley problem.

              And I am making a choice. I’m choosing third-party.

              Keep giving out those thoughts and prayers to help the fascists. There’s not much difference between you and them.