Although it does not mention any vegan variation, there is a wikipedia article about the “completos”.
Is the green stuff guacamole? It looks VERY green
Yes, avocado and garlic.
My GAWD I fuck with that
Sounds amazing
Ah! A Chilean vegan, I see.
Looks good! I’d try it. I’m not vegetarian but I love trying vegan alternatives. I’d stick to some of them if they weren’t so expensive.
If you haven’t and live in the US, try the veggies (could be vegan) hotdogs in IKEA. I love them. They’re not the “hot dog + ketchup” kind, but a whole other thing.
I’m not a vegetarian but hot dog meat is extra questionable, so it’s been fulfilling my hotdog needs.
Not the person you replied to, but I’ll have to give that a shot if I make it to IKEA someday :)
That look really good!
Looks delish! Got a recipe?
Hi, I like the discussion this “hotdog” generated. Let’s just call it something else to avoid getting people confused.
Actually really easy: Just get your favorite hotdog bread. The sweeter the better. Then add some mustard and get your “something else” get cozy on it (you could make your own but getting the standard one from the store is good enough). Add your avocado pasta with a little of garlic and sea salt. On top of that, get your peeled tomatoes chop in tiny pieces with a bit of coriander and make the whole thing every tastier with a bit of ketchup and vegan mayonn@ise.
This is actually a recipe from Chile.
P.s. if you invite them to some friends just tell them that these are boiled carrots so they don’t feel disappointed ;)
This is my best attempt at a rewrite:
Get (vegan) hotdog buns, the sweeter the better. Spread mustard on the bun, and add your meat substitute. Make an avocado paste, adding some garlic and sea salt, and add that to the hotdog. Dice a peeled tomato and top it with coriander, then add it to the hotdog. Lastly, add ketchup and vegan mayonnaise to taste.
Make sure to tell your friends that you’re using meat substitute, so that they aren’t disappointed. In the photo, boiled carrots were used as meat substitute.
You got it!
Actually, there is a real vegan sausage in the photo.
Ah, I see, the texture of the sausage is quite different. I’ve previously had some luck replacing sausage with carrot by boiling carrots, seasoning with soy sauce and sugar, and then frying in a pan on medium-low heat.
I’m not a vegan/vegetatian but it’s quite decent.
That’s interesting to hear that you put some garlic on the avocados - the Chileans I know don’t do that, but they left the country in the late 70’s. I wonder if this is done by personal preference or if there was a ‘culinary branch’ created from them emigrating.
I’m also a little surprised to hear about the use of ketchup - I would guess that the red sauce was Aji.
(This is absolutely not an attempt to criticize your food, I am of the firm belief that all Completos are awesome no matter what)
I don’t know what I just read but my brain hurts a little
Is that a tofu sausage?
No. These are mostly made out of yellow peas and beetroot.
Ah ok. I’ve never tried those. I love tofu dogs though.
Everyone keeps talking about plant substitute meat as if we don’t have a developing lab grown replica industry that could do the job just as well, one that actual vegans have admitted they’d consider as a legitimate source of food since it doesn’t directly involve an animal or animal byproduct.
I think what we’re gonna see is a diversification of the “meat” market with lab grown meat taking the niche of your traditional burgers bacons and sausages, plant substitute leaning into their differences to create more uniquely marketable products, probably selling on their health benefits since people who go off meat for an extended period and then try it again often report a readjusting period tied to how much energy the body has to commit to breaking meats down, and lastly the “fresh meat” industry will go full wagyuification.
They won’t have the ability to compete at market scale, so they’ll instead make their niche in selling a luxury quality product. Cattle ranchers and bison runners are gonna watch the old looming factories fall over and the owners come running begging to invest in the old fashioned cattle and bison raising that they’re now gonna try and sell as creating some superior quality of meat product that justifies the mark-up they’re gonna need to sell with to stay in the game longer term.
I have a suspicion that we might see some interesting hybridization of the plant based and lab grown meats at some point. Tissue culture is expensive, and while Im sure the price can be reduced, Im doubtful that it will get cheaper than plant protein is. However, it can potentially taste more like real meat than plants, seeing as, well, it is real meat, just assembled differently. Potentially then, one can probably mix in some percentage of plant protein (or possibly mycoprotein as well) in with the meat in ground meat type products like burgers, without the flavor changing too noticeably, and get something mostly the same with a lower cost.
However, it can potentially taste more like real meat than plants, seeing as, well, it is real meat, just assembled differently.
The biggest problem with meat substitutes is texture, which is how it is assembled. Only a few have come close, or can replicate cheap cuts of meat.
That’s just a current problem. There’s no reason to assume it won’t also be resolved eventually.
Also, mixing plant matter into meat products is nothing new. For example, most meatballs have breadcrumbs in them.
Mixing breadcrumbs into meatballs doesn’t undo the texture of the meat itself, and different kinds of meats have different textures. Turkey, beef, and chicken meatballs all have different textures for example. The structures in the meat also change as they are cooked.
It is like how califlower rice isn’t the same as regular rice, and there are a bunch of different types of rice. There is just a lot of complexity that means substitutes are always going to be a little off compared to their inspiration and to be honest that should be embraced and leaned into as an alternate instead of a replacement. Like a bean burrito compared to a beef or chicken burrito, they are all burritos but each one is their own thing.
I can agree that there will always be subtle variations in textures of different substances, but I can guarantee you that we can affect the texture of a mixed product by altering the ingredients.
I’ve been managing restaurants for decades, with a few Italian places under my belt with Michelin star chefs. One restaurant group featured a rotating list that always had at least a dozen different meatballs.
I’ve seen them tweak all kinds of recipes, with all kinds of meats and grains. Beef, chicken, pork, lamb, goat, venison, even fuckin gator (which was Delicious!). I’ve also sold eggplant, chickpea, spinach, Beyond, Impossible, all kinds of shit in ball form.
I’ve seen these chefs tweak a recipe that uses the same volume of meat, crumbs, and other ingredients, to yield significantly different textures and flavors, just by playing with how they prep those ingredients. How finely they dice/chop/prep the same amount of an ingredient affects the texture.
How they prep the crumbs matters. What bread do they use, what’s it made of, how it was cooked before it crumbled, how finely it was crumbled, what seasonings were used that will bind with the fats and proteins from the meat.
All of this matters and all of it affects the flavor and texture. This isn’t just cooking, it’s materials science. Give it a little more credit.
As far as I know, this particular arrangement is known as a Completo Italiano, since the ingredients have the same colours as the Italian flag (red tomatoes, green avocado and white mayonnaise).
Hi, that is completely right also the thing with about garlic!
In fact, the Chileans put the avocado in top of the tomatoes and not the other way around as I did.
Are they called “votdogs” now? 🤔
Speaking of which, and I’m sure this is the wrong place but does anyone know how to cook halloumi? I just cooked some on the smoker with a pile of veggies and it always turns out rubbery. What am I doing wrong?
Generally you just give it a couple of minutes on each side in a pan or grill. You just want to get some nice colour and crispiness on the outside, nothing more than that. That said, the cheese is kinda rubbery by nature, and cooking generally will not change this other than adding some crispiness to the outside. It does always squeak a little when you eat it. It shouldn’t be unpleasantly so, but of course where exactly that line is drawn is always a subjective matter
Maybe it’s just too big f chunks then. If I cut it thinner or smaller, it should change the proportions of outside to inside
Mayonnaise?
Unless that sausage has a preferable texture or seasoning profile I feel like almost any variety of beans would be a welcome addition or replacement. Like to me it looks like it is supposed to have refried black beans.
Or: vegan blackbean based sausage links which I remember back from the era I lived with vegans.
Sometimes you just want something that tastes like a hotdog but didn’t come from an animal.
Lifelight Smat dogs are a good option. There is even a gluten free option.
That’s my usual go-to when I’m camping or at a BBQ and want a regular hotdog. I’m sure some people in this thread will tell me I’m wrong though and suggest I instead cook some beans on the campfire lol.
They’re so good!! Ate some with rice and Braggs the other day. Top notch.
That’s a sandwich.
Are we really going to have this discussion now? In front of the kid?
A hotdog is clearly a taco.
This poster Food Cubes.
Counterpoint: It’s a salad.
It’s an open faced sushi roll.
It tastes the same if you close your eyes.
Why do you have to call it by its non-vegan name and then add vegan in front? Just call it what it is a sandwich.
That wouldn’t communicate that this scratches the same itch as a hotdog made of meat.
Stop trying to mimic meat products, it’s a losing battle and will always be inferior. Stop trying to fit foods into a meat “alternative” product that just sucks in comparison to the original, but you try to justify as being “almost the same”, it’s never even close. It’s easily the main reason so many people won’t even consider vegan options, they’re constantly being lied to and resent that.
Embrace the ingredients and use them in ways that actually make sense. You don’t need to replace meat products for people to try an alternative diet, you just need to have other good options. Many vegan restaurants have absolutely delicious and filling food, it’s never the options that try to replace a burger though. It’s the foods designed from the ground up to be vegan and embracing what the ingredients actually are.
Edit: What a surprise, down voted by the vegan brigade refusing to accept any sort of criticism that their replacements usually suck. Coming to defend poor imitations instead of just acknowledging that some foods don’t need to be replaced, and that attempting to do so just steers people away from alternatives entirely.
I never said that alternatives weren’t good. In fact I said the exact opposite. That the alternatives need to be treated as their own thing, not a replacement for a meat product. But the knee jerk reaction to downvote anything perceives as anti-vegan is just too strong apparently. And you all wonder why people make fun of the vegan culture. It’s almost as bad as Linux fanboys or League of Legends players.
the point isn’t to fool people into thinking it’s meat the point is to fill the same role as meat in a dish in terms of texture, protein, etc
But all it does is remind people how it’s not any of those things. It’s like an uncanny valley for food; the more like meat you make it the more attention you draw to all the ways it’s not. If you make it look like something else people will compare it to that thing instead of judging it on its own merit.
sounds like you shouldn’t be buying and eating it, on the other hand I enjoy them and enjoy that they’re not real meat
And yet this post is literally trying to replace a hotdog. From the image, not just as a replacement for the role of the meat, but trying to mimic the hotdog in its entirety.
dude you’re letting “being contrarian” define your whole identity. reconsider your life
There’s nothing contrarian here. I’m saying a vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad. Make vegan food that’s actually good and embraces what it is made out of instead of trying to replace a regular meat item.
The fact there are responses here literally saying to lie to people about what they’re being fed is insane.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah, but if you’re vegetarian/vegan you occasionally have a hankering for a hot dog, and this can get you at least halfway there, who cares? Don’t be an ass and insult what people want to eat just because it offends your sensibilities, which seems to be the main reason people are down voting you.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah
I actually find the vegan alternatives taste better than the meat based ones (I’m thinking primarily about burgers, the vegan hotdogs/sausages I tried some years ago were borderline inedible).
I was thinking more the smartdogs, or whatever they’re called, not the greatest (texture is fine but the taste is pretty off) rather than sausages. Those do usually satisfy that hankering for a hot dog if you add katsup, mustard, onions and whatever else you want on a dog, even if they aren’t as good as the sausages (which I agree are pretty good).
vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad
But it’s not bad. It’s good. It’s like really good.
It’s good enough to take a picture of and share online. It’s good enough to see online and make your mouth water. It’s good enough that I plan my meals to get some, and I’m looking forward to eating two of my own on Monday (pictured):
If you just don’t like it, that’s fine. That’s your taste, and I’m not going to try and tell you that your taste is wrong because that’s totally subjective.
I don’t like tempeh, but I’m not going to go around saying tempeh sucks and you should stop enjoying it, because that’s just debating a matter of taste.
The Glizzy is a form factor for the masses.
it’s never the options that try to replace a burger
I generally agree with you, but I actually disagree on this specific example. It’s not fake meat burgers that I think are good, though, it’s black bean burgers. They’re just their own thing and they’re awesome.
Same with these vegan hotdogs, they have an autentic flavor. In my opinion, they are “a thing” on their own not pretending to replace anything.
Yeah the shape is what causes the confusion maybe. I remember they were but nearly as good back in the day, but now you’ve got all kinds of interesting herbs and spices, because people have figured out that it doesn’t need to taste like meat to be good.
The shape is high tier, though. Perfect for dressing with all kinds of kooky things that would not fit in a sandwich
I agree about black bean burgers. I’m an omnivore but will choose the black bean patty often because they’re just so good.
Yeah, I never liked veggie burgers, but black bean patties are awesome!
…. Although I do like beyond/impossible
Eh, since going vegetarian in the past year or so, I’ve found that a lot of the meat substitutes actually are pretty good, depending on how you use them. It’s not usually so perfect that one cannot truly tell, sure, unless it’s a dish where the meat flavor is heavily affected by spices and similar like with chili, but I’ve definitely found types of substitute bacon, or burgers, or ground meat that taste quite good. Though in my experience it’s usually been the cheaper or simpler ones, like black bean burgers or tempeh bacon, that taste best. Not the same, but similar enough to be tasty in broadly similar ways.
It tastes good tho.
I like it when the food tastes good.
A vegan sausage can very much be its own thing, both tofu and seitan have their own distinct flavour profile. While there certainly are fake meat sausages, you cannot just assume it is one because of its shape, the same way a meat sausage isn’t just a fake cucumber.
Sorry but I absolutely hate this take. I stopped eating meat about 15 years ago, but I grew up on meat-based dishes, and I occasionally like to eat stuff from my childhood, just without the meat. It literally doesn’t affect you at all, but you still find the need to tell me that I’m wrong for eating what I enjoy.
Stop trying to mimic meat products
I don’t hate them, but I’ve been saying this for years; maybe because I grew up mostly vegetarian, so I find that there are so many interesting flavours other than meat. Like one local pub here had this great lentil based burger that they stopped making (in-house I’ll add) as soon as Impossible meat came bursting on to the stage.
Now, my partner who was raised eating meat meals all the time loves these fake meats (I like them fine, I mean they are good, compared to what was around 90s definitely!). And I’ve been to the pub with a gaggle of friends and most of the people will get the impossible burger now, which was absolutely not the case before.
So as a gateway for meat eaters to try skipping like one meal of meat and realising they’re fine, I’d say they’re a smashing success.
OK dad
I know you’re going to be downvoted, but you really underestimate how good hot dogs are at a barbecue.
Serving people salads at a grill outing is a way to lose friends, giving them vegan hot dogs without telling them is a way for them to consider eating less meat. C:
What? Salads at the BBQ are important and kick ass. Salads of fresh, ripe tomato and herbaceous basil with a touch of oil and vinegar, smashed cucumbers with chili powder and black vinegar, watermelon and mint salads, potato salad with a good mustard and dill…
They ain’t the mains at the meal, but they serve a critical function of rounding out the meals and brightening up the plate and palate. Plus they’re packed with vitamins so they help you drink longer in the sun without a nasty hangover the next day.
It’s always some form of deception.
Just be fucking real.
I’ve had excellent vegan food and no one ever tried to trick me into it.
That’s a good way to lose friends.
Deception is definitely the best way to do things. Don’t want to actually let people know what they’re eating of course.
Never ask what the hot dog is made of :>
Point A: never, ever whine about votes. It’s lame as fuck. You take the downs and the ups and whining about the downs, or crowing about the ups is just bullshit.
PointB: I agree with the basics of what you said, but you miss a huge factor. Read on if interested.
I agree wholeheartedly that any commer product throwing vegan in front of a word for another food is bullshit. I even agree that the path to good vegan foods is abandoning the idea that meat needs replacing when there’s entire cuisines that offer amazing food built around non meat, non animal sources.
It is also important to note that not only am I not vegan, I troll vegans occasionally by calling them religious zealots (because the ones that you run into are lol. The nice ones just live their lives and don’t bother anyone.)
However, unless a person is raised without exposure to meat based foods, the truth is that meat is yummy, and a lot of foods that we take for granted and love are either meat based, or contain animal products.
This means that new vegans are trying to figure out how to change their entire life, and need help getting there. And, even as they learn more about plant based diets, they’ll be having people they love that still eat meat, and substitutes become a form of good manners. Having substitutes isn’t a bad thing. Again, I make fun of the jerk vegans, but being able to choose what kind of ingredients go into what I’m eating is a huge plus.
But how is anyone supposed to run searches for recipes without the word vegan being involved? “Non animal product sausages” is going to bring back wildly different hits than “vegan hotdogs”.
The vegans I know (and cook vegan food for) did eventually transition away from a reliance on “replacement” dishes. But it’s a process and it’s one that means they’ll miss some of their old favorites unless they do make these kind of things.
Point C: dude, don’t rub your pet peeves on other people. It’s rude.
