Had a heated argument with a tankie who glorified stalin and lenin. So fucking tired. The worst thing he’s a discord mod of a good streamer, and i left the server because i can’t be there anymore. Context: i’m russian whose grand-grandparents were repressed and forcibly relocated. Left Russia several years ago because i didn’t want to support the aggressive war in Ukraine. And his american (no offense to amreicans tho) ass tried to explain me that stalin is an actual hero who singlehandedly saved Europe from fascism, and all repressed were rich “bourgeois land owners” (actually, no. but even if yes, that’s a terrorism). Then he and other user started posting stupid tankie memes. Ofc they ignored my questions how LGBT+, religious groups and small nations were treated and deleted the message. I’m sick of that shit. Needed to vent somewhere.
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It’s all “I have political opinions from how my grandparents got owned by the Soviets” until Black people demand reparations, then it’s suddenly “let bygones be bygones.”
Or, “thats ancient history”
why are all these people so fuckin salty about what their grandparents had or didnt have. it’s always the same story. “i hate tankies because my great grandparents had their castles taken away”. ok great dude nobody cares.
My unearned birthright was taken from me a century before my birth so we must never seize the means of production.
The arguments are so tired, anyway. Revolutions are messy, innocent people die. They’re also necessary because the system people revolted against wasn’t working; innocent people were dying :twain-two-reigns-of-terror:
Oh the USSR of the 1920s wasn’t pro lgbtq? Remind me which countries were? Oh Weimar Germany, with their social democrat government? How’d that work out for them? Who ended up liberating Germany from fascism and implemented pro lgbtq laws in the gdr?
I hate anti-monarchists because I am the rightful heir of the true king of the realm, but was raised by shepherds or wolves or found in a basket or something.
ukraine smol bean argument
I’m tired of seeing this; at least have something creative to say.
that’s a terrorism
Good that’s what the bourgeois deserve
i believe in antifascism
…that’s why I condemn the nation that saved Europe from fascism
human rights
…that’s why I condemn the nation with universal healthcare for everyone, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed housing, free education to the highest level, and heavy subsidizing of basics such as food or public transit
labour unions
…that’s why I condemn the nation that at the time had the most unionized workforce
anti-imperialism
…that’s why I condemn the sole industrialized nation in history which didn’t engage in unequal exchange and which actually exported its goods to its allies at an economic disadvantage for the furthering of socialism, and which supported emancipatory and anti colonialist projects everywhere in South & Central America, Africa and Asia.
and which supported emancipatory and anti colonialist projects everywhere in South America, Africa and Asia.
Don’t forget in the Caribbean with Cuba!
Yup, sorry, corrected to add Central America
actually no, but even if yes, thats terrorism
so you admit its yes but you have misguided personal feelings about it because your own family was ‘negatively impacted’.
i cant even sympathize with people like this because their position is that in a situation where the mass of people need to be fed, where the land needs to be collectivized and utilized to achieve this, his family should have been able to keep their privately owned land. which by the very nature of them even having is an indicator of their wealth and status under the previous government
and i also want to know, as an anarchist, what this dude thinks anarchists would have done had they succeeded in their attempts at assassination and moved forward with revolt. he thinks the anarchists wouldn’t have needed to collectivize that land so people could be fed? do these people even think at all about what their views actually are or mean?
do these people even think at all about what their views actually are or mean?
In my experience their only answer is “Well I would have not done that” while offering no ideas about what they would have done instead. Frictionless idealism untainted by contact with the demands of reality.
thats a great way to describe people who are turned off by marxism or “authoritarian” socialism more broadly.
it explains why the same people will act like they “owned” you because you can’t, just on command, articulate how every facet of a perfect utopian society would look under socialism. nevermind they couldnt do that for anarchism and certainly can’t do it in defense of neoliberal capitalism
nd i also want to know, as an anarchist, what this dude thinks anarchists would have done had they succeeded in their attempts at assassination and moved forward with revolt. he thinks the anarchists wouldn’t have needed to collectivize that land so people could be fed? do these people even think at all about what their views actually are or mean?
Well sure, but have you considered that people combining their resources to care for a population is actually authoritarian, and authority is bad? Checkmate, tankies
Lemmitor about to call Food not Bombs authoritian communist nonsense.
That comm has “fuck tankies” up as the banner? Talk about
Proselytization, support, or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome. This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, etc.
🙄
It’s funny how they separate those two things, though.
Isnt that the comm that like…said HExbears arent really queer and just performing to attract new users? Or some shit like that?
Seems like everyone’s an actor in the eyes of the performative
(no offense to americans tho)
yeah that says everything I need to know about this person
Full offense to amerikkkans, actually
I can’t for the life of me understand why someone would advocate for an authoritarian government
All governments are authoritarian. Thanks for coming to my RouxTalk
i don’t get how people are so resistant to the notion that their great grandparents were probably assholes.
mine weren’t even rich/landed. just your garden variety abusive drunks. hell, near as i can figure, one of my grandfathers was massively part-of-the-problem ulster scot who, for whatever reason, fled to the new world.
the whole story is wildly muddled, but knowing his sectarian allegiance and where he was from paints the broad strokes. guy was dead before i was born, and though no one says so, the only stories i ever heard were ones that made him unkind, even to family.
being an asshole isn’t genetic. seems to me the only reason to defend ancestors is because you assume eugenics’ is correct, or because you’re trying to defend some inheritance claim.
i bet if we lived in a society where inheritance was more equitably distributed, nobody but the most brain dead weirdos, like monarchists and eugenics weirdos would give a shit about their great grand whoever unless they actually created something, like art.
I wonder if part of it comes from the awareness that the average westerner has a very cushy life, so we get solace in knowing our ancestors must have lived harder, and therefore ‘earned’ our position for us. Totally detatched from the reality that suffering in and of itself is not a moral good. Calvinism and its consequences, etc.
There’s a strong subtext to the “Irish slavery” argument that the “slavery” was good character-building for Irish-American culture.
Even if you come from a less affluent country like mine they make sure to blame everything bad ever to the to Soviet Union, so as long as you can shit talk politicians on the internet people assume it’s Utopia, just as the landlord grabs most of their paycheck and they can’t even go foraging in their childhood homes anymore because everything is privatized and no trespassers are allowed.
Even if your great grand whatevers were fine folk, it’s still a thought terminating cliche to pull the “that regime was bad for my family” card. I have a lot of ancestors that were from the US southeast, I’m sure plenty of them got fucked up by the Union during the Civil War, but that doesn’t change the fact that the Confederacy losing was good. Hell, I have grandparents that fled Eastern Europe during WWII because they found out they were on a Soviet list. But I have the mental maturity to understand that the nascent Cold War had a scope way beyond my family.
My grandmother was one of the worst people I’ve ever known. Definitely in the top five. She did not have an easy life, but it’s no excuse for the miserable person she decided to be. She had plenty of time to correct her behavior and had many people around her providing infinite patience. It was no surprise she didn’t have any friends at her funeral, only relatives.
I don’t know why people have this problem where they can’t realize their family members can be good parents/siblings/cousins/whatever, but terrible to everyone else. Or that good people can be shitty parents.
I love my grandma but I also became aware that she participated to the colonization of Algeria and I’m not proud of it and I’m never defending her on this. Sometimes people are weirdly defensive about their familly, I don’t understand why they don’t treat it as part of growing up to stop idolising meemaw
because they’re reactionaries and reactionaries care a lot about lineage even though whatever your lineage is is basically background noise after like 4 generations.
This gonna be one of those people saying they took away their nobility and that’s why they hate them so much?
(actually, no. but even if yes, that’s a terrorism).
lmao
Don’t tell me their idea of a revolution is inviting the bourgeoisie to a picnic…
“Revolution is a dinner party, actually” – Mao Zedong
Political power grows from a neatly set table place and 2 different appetizers for the table
17·21 hours agoRevolution? That’s violent. We’ll
You did a terrorism. You did a no-growth
21th century western foreign and domestic policy in a nutshell right there
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Behold, the true Left:
and so on and so fourth
fuck tankies rule
Fuck! Tankies rule!fuck, tankies rule!
America, famously good to LGBT+ folks and small nations. Great place to be a religious group though I guess, as long as you’re some kinda Jesus cult.
