The thing that really got me is that anyone believes the thing about the bullet casings being engraved at all. That’s the kind of detail that’s just too easy to fabricate, and I can’t believe I bought it when they said the United Healthcare killer engraved HIS bullets. There’s no way for any news source to be sure which bullets actually came from the gun; also, wouldn’t evidence like that be kept secret by the police?
I dunno maybe I’m too paranoid, I just believe literally nothing from any media outlet anymore; they’re all owned by Larry Ellison’s kid
If you shoot someone write coca cola on your bullets, so everyone that likes coca cola is can be blamed. This guy likes coca cola, we must stop the coca cola drinking radicals.
I just refuse to live in a world where feds came up with the phrase “notices bulges OwO what’s this” and thought “yeah if we say the bullets had that written on them, it will demonize the left!”
I don’t buy the engraving story, with Luigi it kinda made sense cause it was one word per bullet, and that was logical to me. But a full setence on a bullet? Not buying it.
The 30-06 casing is pretty big, and has about 2"/50mm of space before it tapers down to where the bullet is. There’s plenty of space for a short message, and you could probably engrave it with a nail. I’m guessing it would take a couple hours to engrave four bullets, which is totally feasible.
We have specific messages, and the benefit to lying about it is incredibly low, so why bother?
It means the messages aren’t specific to any one movement. It seems like wasted effort if they were going to slot him in to any category, since they’re open to interpretation as either ultra right wing memes or antifacist memelord quotes. Depending on the news source, they are being interpreted differently.
Or, maybe “they” made it intentionally occlusive to avoid a civil war. Because let’s face it, the right were calling for a violence before the casings even came out. Hell, they were calling for violence before the shooting, too.
My take is that since the public just wholesale bought the story about the UHC CEOs murderer engraving 9mm bullets, someone at WSJ (owned by Rupert/Lachlan Murdock, known Nazis and accelerationists) decided “hey let’s tell everyone these bullets had engravings too” and intentionally left the “messages” on the bullets vague enough to go either way. Once it was out there, people ran with it cause it sounded plausible.
Oh, I agree. I’m not sold on them even existing, either. But I’m debating available reported evidence.
My new personal, not totally serious, conspiracy theory is: They are real, Tyler is an edgy memelord with no affiliation, and someone at one of these organizations shoehorned the Groyper connection because they own Groyper Coin.
Is it plausible? Maybe. But we’re in a platos’ cave of media lies just trying to figure out what the shapes mean.
We have specific messages though, they were reported yesterday IIRC, after they arrested their primary suspect. It would be pretty incredible for them to completely fabricate the messages as well as have Utah’s governor believe them.
You shouldn’t form an opinion based on one piece of evidence. There are other details that I think adds to that conclusion, such as his conservative family (and apparently good relationship with them), apparent recent engagement with online communities (didn’t vote in 2024), attendance at schools in conservative areas, etc. He was likely conservative, and recently radicalized, so it’s more likely for him to shift to the radical right than the radical left.
I think there’s a good chance it’s a misunderstanding of the evidence early on.
Notices Bulge. OwO What is this?
I think this can be taken either as supporting or not supporting trans people. It could also be a furry thing. If you combine with the other engravings, esp the “Bella ciao” one, it definitely seems like leftist messaging.
I personally think he’s on the right wing. The far right also opposes Trump, and targeting Kirk seems like a natural thing in that case. I don’t think a leftist radical would though, because they care less about individual action and more about collective action. If anything there is leftist, it’s ironically leftist just to spite Kirk even more. That tracks with the “if you’re reading this you’re gay” message, the engravings seemed to be intended to amuse the shooter, not send a message.
Using Hanlon’s razor, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”, I think it’s likely they misinterpreted the evidence, not that they intentionally misdirected the public.
Trump is obviously motivated to point the finger at the left because his party isn’t looking so hot for the next election. That makes sense to me. But the FBI doesn’t seem to have that same motivation, they want to catch the suspect, and providing information early is important for that in a case like this. Utah is very conservative, so if the shooter is a leftist, that dramatically reduces the search pool.
Anyway, that’s my guess here. I guess we’ll see as more information is reported whether he’s likely a leftist or far right extremist.
I disagree, the benefit to lying about it was huge at the moment of the lie, and I definitely don’t put it past the fascists at the WSJ to fabricate this
The thing that really got me is that anyone believes the thing about the bullet casings being engraved at all. That’s the kind of detail that’s just too easy to fabricate, and I can’t believe I bought it when they said the United Healthcare killer engraved HIS bullets. There’s no way for any news source to be sure which bullets actually came from the gun; also, wouldn’t evidence like that be kept secret by the police?
I dunno maybe I’m too paranoid, I just believe literally nothing from any media outlet anymore; they’re all owned by Larry Ellison’s kid
If you shoot someone write coca cola on your bullets, so everyone that likes coca cola is can be blamed. This guy likes coca cola, we must stop the coca cola drinking radicals.
I just refuse to live in a world where feds came up with the phrase “notices bulges OwO what’s this” and thought “yeah if we say the bullets had that written on them, it will demonize the left!”
The WSJ said there was stuff written on the bullets, and shortly afterward walked their statements back, so you are right to be skeptical
I don’t buy the engraving story, with Luigi it kinda made sense cause it was one word per bullet, and that was logical to me. But a full setence on a bullet? Not buying it.
Does it really matter?
The 30-06 casing is pretty big, and has about 2"/50mm of space before it tapers down to where the bullet is. There’s plenty of space for a short message, and you could probably engrave it with a nail. I’m guessing it would take a couple hours to engrave four bullets, which is totally feasible.
We have specific messages, and the benefit to lying about it is incredibly low, so why bother?
The benefit is really low?
Those “engravings” have been used in the last 48 hours to call for a civil war. I’m unsure what you mean with “benefits” to one side being “low” here
It means the messages aren’t specific to any one movement. It seems like wasted effort if they were going to slot him in to any category, since they’re open to interpretation as either ultra right wing memes or antifacist memelord quotes. Depending on the news source, they are being interpreted differently.
Or, maybe “they” made it intentionally occlusive to avoid a civil war. Because let’s face it, the right were calling for a violence before the casings even came out. Hell, they were calling for violence before the shooting, too.
My take is that since the public just wholesale bought the story about the UHC CEOs murderer engraving 9mm bullets, someone at WSJ (owned by Rupert/Lachlan Murdock, known Nazis and accelerationists) decided “hey let’s tell everyone these bullets had engravings too” and intentionally left the “messages” on the bullets vague enough to go either way. Once it was out there, people ran with it cause it sounded plausible.
Oh, I agree. I’m not sold on them even existing, either. But I’m debating available reported evidence.
My new personal, not totally serious, conspiracy theory is: They are real, Tyler is an edgy memelord with no affiliation, and someone at one of these organizations shoehorned the Groyper connection because they own Groyper Coin.
Is it plausible? Maybe. But we’re in a platos’ cave of media lies just trying to figure out what the shapes mean.
“A Plato’s cave of media lies” LOL too fucking true, they’ve figured out how to propagate lies everywhere simultaneously
We have specific messages though, they were reported yesterday IIRC, after they arrested their primary suspect. It would be pretty incredible for them to completely fabricate the messages as well as have Utah’s governor believe them.
I never said they fabricated messages. Just that if they’re real, I don’t totally believe the guy’s a Groyper because of them.
You shouldn’t form an opinion based on one piece of evidence. There are other details that I think adds to that conclusion, such as his conservative family (and apparently good relationship with them), apparent recent engagement with online communities (didn’t vote in 2024), attendance at schools in conservative areas, etc. He was likely conservative, and recently radicalized, so it’s more likely for him to shift to the radical right than the radical left.
They falsely claimed the “engravings” were something to do with “trans ideology,” so the benefit is whipping up more hatred.
I think there’s a good chance it’s a misunderstanding of the evidence early on.
I think this can be taken either as supporting or not supporting trans people. It could also be a furry thing. If you combine with the other engravings, esp the “Bella ciao” one, it definitely seems like leftist messaging.
I personally think he’s on the right wing. The far right also opposes Trump, and targeting Kirk seems like a natural thing in that case. I don’t think a leftist radical would though, because they care less about individual action and more about collective action. If anything there is leftist, it’s ironically leftist just to spite Kirk even more. That tracks with the “if you’re reading this you’re gay” message, the engravings seemed to be intended to amuse the shooter, not send a message.
Using Hanlon’s razor, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”, I think it’s likely they misinterpreted the evidence, not that they intentionally misdirected the public.
Trump is obviously motivated to point the finger at the left because his party isn’t looking so hot for the next election. That makes sense to me. But the FBI doesn’t seem to have that same motivation, they want to catch the suspect, and providing information early is important for that in a case like this. Utah is very conservative, so if the shooter is a leftist, that dramatically reduces the search pool.
Anyway, that’s my guess here. I guess we’ll see as more information is reported whether he’s likely a leftist or far right extremist.
I disagree, the benefit to lying about it was huge at the moment of the lie, and I definitely don’t put it past the fascists at the WSJ to fabricate this