• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    President Biden told Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a call on Saturday that the U.S. won’t support any Israeli counterattack against Iran, a senior White House official told Axios.

    America is already involved …

    Without the billions of dollars we give them, and the military support of putting troopa and ships right off the coast, Israel never would have attacked Iran to begin with.

    But even if that wasn’t true, Biden has a horrible record of not assisting with Israels genocides.

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    Great news. Hopefully that means if Israel does it anyway they will pay a price too heavy to bear, and we can put the whole “escalate to cover our Gaza situation” thing to bed.

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        I don’t see Iran going so hard that’s on the table. The last strike was beautifully calibrated to re-establish deterrence while doing little politically useful damage, for example.

        The real goal here for Israel is to bolster Netanyahu’s hold on power. Iran would just have to hit back hard enough it makes his situation worse, not better, and they could safely do that without the US umbrella. Of course, it all depends on what “won’t support” means. Time for me to read the article.

        Edit: Still not clear.

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          Other articles I’ve seen were worded differently. They were clear we won’t attack Iran

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            Yeah, that’s what I worry about. Usually when it comes to the US on Israel “wouldn’t support” means “would silently disapprove”.

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              I have seen nothing to suggest we will cut aid or weapons. Just we won’t directly attack Iran.

              I’m pro-Israel but the best way to end the escalation is to stop sending weapons at this point. I don’t see Iran attacking again unless Israel counter attacks.

              We need to say stop it and make it clear, you counter attack and we cut aid.

              Iran cannot invade Israel. Israel cannot invade Iran. Israel attacked a consulate. They started this and we can stop it

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                I thought that said “weren’t” for whatever reason. Yeah, that’s good then.

                I’m not sure other pro-Israel people would call that pro-Israel, but I agree.

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                  Allergies. It’s possible there are some typos. My eyes are on fire. Pro-Israel doesn’t mean pro-escalation when they act poorly. We have rules to how the world works and they violated those by attacking the consulate. Now they are trying to escalate a conflict with Iran.

                  We don’t need a war in the Middle East right now. We can reduce that by reducing aid.

                  American has become so partisan. You can support something but still have a redline.

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      If you cheer on Iran’s strikes on Israel, remember that in addition to Jewish Israelis, Arabs, Palestinians, Muslims & Christians could lose their lives in the attack. Iranian projectiles endanger Ramallah, Bethlehem, Nablus, Amman, Lebanon, Syria & Iraq. War’s not an online game

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        remember that in addition to Jewish Israelis, Arabs, Palestinians, Muslims & Christians could lose their lives in the attack.

        Why would I care about them more?

        Iranian projectiles endanger Ramallah, Bethlehem, Nablus, Amman, Lebanon, Syria & Iraq.

        As do Israeli ones. And of course these are all rounding errors compared to what else is happening in Gaza.

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          I find it truly amusing when the Ceasefire Now crowd celebrates future attacks.

          Isreal doesn’t fly many air to ground missles. They use airplanes.

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            Im really curious as to what you think comes out of those airplanes. Maybe flowers? Love letters?

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              You see. I remark that missiles have landed in a lot of places putting a lot of different people in jeopardy. The response is “Isreal does too”. Then i inform that Israel doesn’t fly missiles. Comprende

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            I was not celebrating future warfare. I was hoping to avoid it, and you or anyone else can read it.

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        Some retaliation seems necessary. Unless someone hits back the israeli bullying will continue. Bidens refusal to tell israel to stop trying to start WW3 is what got us here to begin with.

        The Iranian strikes were targeted on israeli air bases. Ironically one person that was critically injured was a Palestinian girl hit by the shrapnel of an interception.

        While sad, the Iranian attack did achieve its goals. Create an expensive interception barrage for israel while not resulting in major escalation.

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    Good. Next he needs to hold Israel accountable to the International law agreement for the weapons the US has provided.

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      My hope is that he’s building up to that. The continued escalation in criticism suggests that’s what he’s doing; immediately cutting off aid will signal to other allies that he’s capricious and having an insufficient legal justification will open him up to impeachment and removal. Of course, it could all be show for the base.

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    Why would Netanyahu believe him? I certainly don’t. Slaughtering tens of thousands of people has gotten the same kind of “warnings” followed by billions more in lethal aid.

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    No one actually believes that. This coming from the same guy that says ceasefire while they replenish weapons and draft an additional aid package.