• SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
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    So it’s an ugly, heavy fragmentation bomb that looks like it was made from spare parts found at an auto parts supplier.

    Other than the fact that it’s especially ugly, how is this different than any other standard military frag bomb or grenade?

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      how is this different than any other standard military frag bomb or grenade?

      Cheaper and probably less effective than a purpose-built one, that’s more or less it. As to why vatniks are so worried about them, well, your guess is as good as mine. These do look sorta gruesome compared to regular 'ol factory-made frag mortar rounds that the Ukrainians have generally been using, so maybe vatniks just assume that they’re somehow worse?

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        Old fashioned pineapple grenade but with sharp edges for maximum gore.

        All is fair when one side is flexing it’s nuclear arsenal if anyone else wants to do something

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          Dunno if the sharp edges will really make a notable difference. At the velocities shrapnel’s usually flying it doesn’t really matter too much what shape the metal bits are and they’re going to get deformed by the explosion anyhow.

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              Well, any shrapnel’s going to “cut people to pieces”. It’s just vatniks trying to make these sound super duper scary – taking their Telegram channels at face value isn’t a good idea

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                Shrapnel and fragmentation is a big part of the engineering work done, different things can cause different wounds.

                It is possible that these are creating a “different” type of wound which a combat medic isn’t trained for because it’s not typical.

                Once again though the easiest way to avoid these it to fuck right off and go back to Russia.

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        All that rust makes them look like tetanus bombs. Which isn’t exactly funny, but it does make me chuckle. Hey Ruski, catch!

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          For turbo war crime mode, store the frag material outdoors in soil and then when the bomb is assembled, slather it with poop.

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        Yeah it’s all about appearance. It’s human nature.
        Same thing in the US. We have a ton of people trying to ban AR-15 rifles because they look scary. They act like it’s some sort of urgent public health emergency and tons of people are dying all the time because of these awful terrible military death sprayers. In reality more people are punched and kicked to death every year or beaten to death with bats than are shot with all types of rifles including ARs.

        In a country of 320 million people, rifles of all sorts kill at most a couple hundred every year. It’s not at all as serious threat to safety, but people obsess over it because it looks scary. Obesity related illnesses kill 300,000+ Americans per year, but you don’t see anybody talking about banning cheeseburgers.

        Meanwhile in Ukraine, the happy little almost cartoon-shaped frag bombs dropped from hobby drones are killing Russians with great efficiency. But they don’t look scary or gruesome so this stupid thing gets the attention.

        I think it’s just human nature. We focus on what looks frightening, not what actually threatens us.

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          I guess people downvote because they disagree with your view on gun regulation (which I do, too) that you use in your example.

          I believe you make a good argument that people focus on scary-looking things rather than actually-scary things. The example you give is valid, too: Many people associate ARs with gun violence, while most victims of gun violence get killed by small handguns (source).

          I’ll upvote your thoughtful comment!

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          What a disingenuous take. People want them banned, and rightly so, because they are used on a weekly basis in mass shootings. And there are no upsides in having them around. Pretty much every other western country do without and we get mass shootings once a decade, or less.

          Obesity kills people, good unrelated point. Something should be done for that too. While working on gun control/ban.

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            This is actually false.
            There are not mass shootings with ARs every week.

            Look at a website like mass shooting tracker, and actually READ some of the incidents. Most are like ‘victim1 and victim2 were leaving a house party on Crescent St. when suspect1 and suspect2 opened fire from a moving vehicle. Victim1 and victim2 returned fire and all four young men were wounded, along with bystander1 and bystander2.’ This will qualify as a mass shooting because four or more people are wounded, so it shows up on that stupid tracker. But there is no AR anywhere, just pistols. Read between the lines and you realize this is a gangland shooting. And in all likelihood all four firearms are illegally owned.

            Reality is more people are punched and kicked to death every year than are killed by all rifles including ARs.

            Furthermore, there are several million ARs in circulation, and only a couple hundred rifle deaths every year. From a pure statistic point of view, that makes it actually a pretty safe product.

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    Generally if you try to kill someone you should expect them to try to kill you back if you don’t immediately succeed. If it’s a whole country then you can expect them to try to kill you back even if you do succeed. What a fucking surprise.

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      That’s like forcing people to play dodgeball and crying when you get hit because THATS UNFAIR BECAUSE YOU SUGGESTED THE GAME!!

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    “when exploded, fly apart and cut people into pieces”

    Unlike other explosives…?