This will not end well.
Just wanted to add that since ICE agents are just walking around doing shit without identifying themselves, anyone could walk into your house and rob/rape/murder you while claiming to be ICE if you resist.
Just want to make it clear that this opens up a whole lot of home invasions.
Exactly! have no warrants and don’t identify themselves; they don’t even have a uniform or badges. I do not care who they say they are, anyone can say they are ICE to get into my home. Do we honestly believe that people are not going to do that? Like be real, this is a flashing beacon of hope to criminals.
Well that’ll be interesting in all of those stand your ground states.
…except they out number you with gun, too
This is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment, and the cure for it is the 2nd amendment.
Americans are pussies, they won’t stand up violently against this
Americans is one of the most violent countries on Earth. The Tipping Point is coming. It will get very violent before its over.
Waiting for the first story of a shootout.
I already know which side I’m rooting for.
I wouldn’t recommend it.
At this rate, we will just become the purge, every day. 🤦♂️
Remember, none of this is restricted to actual gang members.
If they can deport anyone who is a member of a Venezuelan gang to a prison camp without trial then, oops, turns out everyone they don’t like is a member of a Venezuelan gang.
You can prove you’re not? Too bad. That would require a trial. You don’t get one of those, because we say you’re a member of a Venezuelan gang.
See how this works?
ICE are Trump’s sturmabteilung. If he’s allowed to get away with any of this, it will not be long before he starts turning them on anyone who openly disagrees with him.
Garcia was deported to El Salvador with alleged Venezuelan gang members, but he wasnt Venezuelan, so they just declared him MS-13 instead.
Facts dont matter, they’ll just create “alternative facts” that fit their narrative.
All they have to do is follow the law. Law says they can call anyone a terrorist or national security threat and that removes people’s rights. This has been law for years. Now, Republicans are using it because they know they will not get in trouble.
You don’t have to be in a gang. They will say standing outside of a Home Depot is a lawful reason to send you to a South American gulag. Because Republicans will not get in trouble.
Remember when we were told that kids had to keep dying so we could be allowed to keep guns in our home in case the government decides to break down our doors one day??? Member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
This is going to go over great in a country that prides itself on unrestricted firearms for home and personal protection 🫣
They would love nothing more than a few ice agents getting shot to justify an even harsher show of force in the future
More lead flies.
Those folks will bend over the hardest
Any local administrator that signs in for this, is guilty of treason. This administration is guilty, conclusively, now of treason. Why isn’t it being removed? What’s all this about checks and balances? Seems like the people invoking the alien enemies acts have become, themselves alien enemies.
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This is precisely what the Founding Fathers intended it be used for.
Do stand your ground laws still apply?
Depends on the state.
There is also Castle Doctrine, which is probably more applicable, and more widespread, accepted in one form or another in all 50 states.
curious how cops are able to break into your car to drag you out, if deemed necessary
Do the Americans really want USA to be a fascist gestapo country?
How exactly do the methods of Trumps regime reflect a society that values freedom?MAGA’s society is one where white people rule and set the laws. Right now, the target is brown people but it won’t stay that way for long. East Asians will be the next cause of issues with China.
No, white people are no safer than anyone else, they are just lower on the priority list. They’ll get to us standard issue white folks eventually.
Only the wealthy will be safe from the government, and that does not include the mere rich. If you think you are safe because you have a net worth of a few million bucks, you are deluding yourself. You are just another poor rube to the truly wealthy, and when all the profit has been wrung out of the poor, working class, and middle class, theyll go after the merely rich.
MAGA’s society is one where white people rule and set the laws.
Absolutely, but it was not only white people who voted Trump in, a lot of Latinos and Hispanics also voted for him, and they are absolutely targets already!
They think they’re considered white but the leopards are getting ready to feast.
Doesn’t the US incorporate castle doctrine principles - an affirmative defense to criminal homicide occurring within a home? Combine that with lax to nonexistent gun control and a high gun ownership rate, and you’re just asking for trouble.
They WANT trouble, in as many ways as possible. That will allow him to justify imposing Martial Law, and suspend elections.
He has a razor thin majority in Congress, with the 2016 midtetm election ahead (which is shaping up to be a bloodbath), and he can’t afford to lose either chamber, which would give Dems control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers.
He wants violence, and he will be instigating it in as many ways as possible.
Sounds like a judge who also needs to be shot
That’s if they let you live long enough to make it to trial, nevermind afterward. 😶
I’ve resisted, all this time, getting a gun because I have a history of depression and I didn’t want one in the house
however, given I have the blessing of castle doctrine in my state I’m really starting to think getting one might be the smarter decision. at least I might get to go out on my own terms.
You have to weigh the likelihood of a warrantless raid versus another bout of heavy depression.
I’m in the middle of a bout of heavy depression right now, I just want to live long enough to outlive my close family, namely my parents. They shouldn’t have to sit through my funeral.
Being gay and neurodivergent, though, I don’t think I have that long in this country. And I have no method to escape.
I hope you manage to survive this, i really do, but if you finally decide you cant handle it any longer, use it to strike back decisively in a focused way that protects the innocent and hurts the Nazis.
I’m so sorry that i have to write that. I am also coming to grips that at my age, i am realizing that my story may have a twist ending that i never suspected. If anything happens to my son (also part of vulnerable communities), i will become a very dangerous person.
Hey. One of my best friends was gay and had depression. He came from a very religious family and struggled with both of these things his entire life. Then he got sick and didn’t seek treatment for a medical issue that was curable but fatal if untreated. He died. I think he chose not to seek treatment because it was an out that he didn’t have to affirmatively choose.
The world is a worse place without him. It’s been 3 years and I still think about him almost every day. Please find a better solution.
Don’t kill yourself that’s just giving them what they want. Existence is resistance.
sorry but if the choice is between “going quietly with the men from the government” for being an undesirable, and just ending it there and then, I’m choosing the gun. I’ve suffered enough where I am.
Who said anything about going quietly. Rage, rage.
Suicide ain’t it, neighbor. Sincerely. Not even suicide by cop.
If you need to talk, I’m here. Feel free to DM or reply here, I’m around. 🤘🏼
It varies state by state, and sometimes by municipality.
“According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval.”
Here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
“According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval.”
It’s almost as if the War on Drugs was being used as a pretense to up state power for years, and now we have police-military kitted out and trained (Cop City) to slaughter protesters in the street.
Interesting. I’m not an expert on the matter by any means, as I’m not even American, but from what I’ve read, ICE agents often dress in plain civilian clothes - sometimes with no identification markers at all - and can now enter your home without a warrant based merely on “suspicion”. Taking all of this into account, it seems like you would have reasonable belief that you’re in danger and should defend yourself.
Yup. If it’s my house, it falls under #2, my neighbors house would fall under #1.
We’d all wish that. But, unfortunately, that’s not the case with US citizens. After all, they could get rid of him in some way or another (see JFK).
Where? Down at the Quik-E Mart again?
