The fuck do I hear Bernie saying “Medicare for All” ?

https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ Ah so you just keep your fingers in your ears. Got it.

On healthcare: removing the profit incentives of private health insurance drives down costs as well as frees up money to pay for universal coverage. It’s not free Healthcare and has never been referred to as such unless people are debating in bad faith. He wrote the Medicare for All bill and just because you aren’t aware of the details doesn’t mean Sanders didn’t have them.

On housing: again calling it free housing is a disingenuous bait. His housing policy had so many facets that even if only half his proposals were put into place, it would do wonders to improve the situation for millions of Americans. Federal funding for expanding Community Land Trusts (if you don’t know what CLTs are you should look it up), combat gentrification/exclusionary zoning/segregation/speculation, expand the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund a fund that he was responsible for and fought for 15 years to become the first new federal affordable housing program funded in several decades, tenant protections like New York’s right to counsel that was created in 2017, which saw their eviction rates drop five times faster than comparable areas. God damn man I could keep going but if I haven’t made my point why waste the effort.

All of this could easily be paid by taxing the wealthy and reducing military spending. Would that be a problem for you?

You think CNN cares who wins?

They’re installing this hate for liberals both in tankies…

Man I didn’t realize Phil Oches was a Russian agent. Leftist criticism of liberal hypocrisy is nothing new, just new to you.

Appreciate it.

This is how I know lemmy is thriving.

They only tell you your the problem? I got called a Chinese psy-op the other day.

Rail workers do not have the proper time to fully inspect cars and arrange them in the proper order due to understaffing and the high volume created by maximized rail schedules that prioritize profits over safety.

That’s a huge reason why rail workers wanted to go on strike before there was bipartisan cooperation led by Biden to take away their labor rights.

Do you view the United States as an imperialist power? Either currently or in it’s past? If in it’s past at what point do you believe it stopped behaving as an imperialist nation.

This is foundational level of understanding the world we live in and it’s history, how that history got us to the present political climate. And if you’re reaction to someone trying to have a conversation about it is to lash out like you have, then I have to ask another question.

Who is the idiot here?

You really don’t think it’s possible that I am an American citizen that is critical of our government? That neither party represents working class people and I am fed up with spending billions in our name to kill children in order to secure resources we have no right to?

Your brain can’t handle that possibility and short circuits? China is also an imperialist power, but they don’t use military power to go about it. That’s not really pertinent to this conversation though is it?

So you disagree that America is an imperialist power?

The tunnel vision caused by fear is wild to see. It’s like mass halucination and there isn’t anything you can say to get them to look around and take stock.

Gerrymandering has been apart of American politics since the country’s founding, before the concept was even given a name in 1812. When the parties weren’t polarized from 1964–1992 there wasn’t a need for drastic gerrymandering like we see currently, but it still happened from both parties to secure incumbent power. It’s why it was never legislated against, both parties prefer to keep it around as it is yet another method of keeping the broken two party system in place.

I’m being genuine, authentic, and fucking real with you. Both parties are shit and we deserve better. Democrats will never truly save you from the looming threat of Republicans because they are two sides to the same imperialist coin.

You’re not paying attention. This is a huge problem with liberal voters, they are highly engaged when opposition is in power, yet completely oblivious while “their party” is in charge. Or somehow worse, they will decry obvious issues as helping the opposition (as we see in this thread) so that the needle only ever shifts slightly to the right as the party appeals to “moderates”.

Well, looking beyond one local election might help.

You don’t quite understand what I am referencing if you think when I talk of recuperation that I am just referencing one election. Black Lives Matter is the biggest lightning rod that was very obviously recuperated in order to diminish it’s radical politics, MLK was literally assassinated when his politics got too radical and threatening of the status quo and then his legacy was recuperated, even the New Deal was recuperation of the strongest labor movement because of it’s deep socialist roots.

These are long standing ongoing problems with our political system and those that maintain it’s power.

If you saw unfortunate result because you put a check mark next to a D and expected something miraculous to happen, maybe you should start looking into the candidates instead of their party more often.

WA state has top two elections so the majority of the time it’s vote big D or little d. We also have statewide vote by mail so every election, primaries included, you can site down and research candidates as you mark off the ballot sheet, it’s one of the few times I enjoy a glass of wine as I take my time with it as it takes up an entire evening.

Any other misconceptions I can clear up for you?

I don’t see progress happening through the ballot box, increasingly I see more and more conservative liberals winning elections. And the progressives I once had hope for when they were first elected become more and more compromised as they try to work within the democratic party.

FYI I downvoted you because you whined about your downvotes. Just thought you should know.

Just as funny, but more so because you read commentary as complaining.

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Boy you are really engaging people in good faith throughout this thread aren’t you?

Right but none of what you said answers the question: What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?

When true change is threatened it is dealt with in two ways, recuperation or rejection. Anything else is not change that threatens the systems of power and is allowed to be squabbled over.

Hi there, as a Seattle local I have a legitimate question for you. The local democrats I voted for turned around and gerrymandered the socialist 3 term serving city council member out of office. The only member that was actually pushing for the working class politics I wanted from my district representative. What kind of incremental change can I expect to really see when that is how the party at large operates?

Edit: laughing at these down votes, yall are deeply unseriouse people.