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  • Ah! Admittedly I didn’t look at the second two links. You gave no description of what they were. I simply looked at the first and assumed the others were in the same vein.

    And I was essentially correct in thinking you included the epistemology in the definitions of Believe and Accept. You could have simply said as much. And with those definitions you are correct.

    I also didn’t realize Epistemology was considered an area of philosophy, not science. Thank you.

    Now I see where you’re coming from and I appreciate that. Thank you.


  • I didn’t say you said I wasn’t supporting mine. Now I’m not sure you’ve really read carefully anything I wrote.

    And you simply keep asserting your idea. Ignoring most of my arguments, examples, and questions. For instance, when I asked for the actual specific definitions you claim you and science use, you didn’t provide them. Instead you ignored the most basic request for evidence possible, and suggest I’m being dogmatic in my belief, instead of you. As I said, that’s interesting.



  • I’m referring to strict definitions that are found in science.

    Where exactly are the strict scientific definitions you’re using for Believe and Accept? Do you have a link?
    I showed you the strict definitions I was using.

    Good scientists look for ways they are wrong; people holding onto beliefs look for ways to back up why they’re right.

    Both of those are epistemologies. One good, and one bad. But epistemologies are only ways to reach a belief. They aren’t part of the belief itself. Much like the road isn’t the destination. You’re including in the definition of Belief, a pattern of behavior, a specific epistemology. But it doesn’t have one. Not even in common vernacular. In some specific religious contexts it might, as you say. But Belief is used in vastly more contexts than religion. Someone who believes it won’t rain, isn’t obligated to hold that belief when they see dark storm clouds approaching. Or are you saying they they’ll have to make excuses for why it won’t rain? Else they didn’t actualy Believe, and just Accepted that it wouldn’t rain?


  • Vernacular is literally what we’re talking about. The definition of words.

    You seem to be wrapping a number of ideas around the word Believe. Most notably the idea that a belief is fixed. When I say believe, I literally mean only and exactly “Accept as true”, or “To hold as true”, nothing more. It’s literally the 1st definition. And more or less what all the other definitions are wrapped around.

    What we hold as true can change at any time, and for a number of reasons. The study of them is called Epistemology. Yes. It’s a real branch of science.

    It’s possible what you’re trying to get across, is the idea that science accepts nothing as “true”. It can only reject ideas as “false”. And the ideas that remain un-rejected as false, are accepted, not as true, but as the best explanation we have so far. In which case I can see your point. However, remember that beliefs aren’t fixed. They can also be rejected when new conflicting data is collected. That still sounds like what you mean by accept. Am I wrong?