LeninWeave [none/use name]

I’ve seen Nagarjuna on here for years and figured that maybe he ran into some actual antisemitism that pissed him off.

I actually agree with you (I’ve also seen him on here for years), but this post just ends up being counterproductive and promoting antisemitism (as discussed) and it really is far beyond tone deaf to do any excusing of Israeli settlers (almost blaming everything on the IDF, Likud, and the USA when this is the nature of the Israeli colonial project), especially given the current context.

I do think this post was emotionally motivated (as you say) and it does contain valid points that are important, but it’s definitely doing more harm than good and undermines those valid points in the later parts. I’m not trying to argue for a condemnation of Nagarjuna here, just to be clear. I’m just bothered by this post. It initially rubbed me the wrong way, and some of the comments in this thread helped me realize why.

Conflating Jews in Israel with Zionists.

Unfortunately, he does it in this very post.

When people talk about “jews” or “israelis” generally as perpetuating the murder of children, they are engaging in the blood libel trope.

Those two statements (with “jews” vs with “israelis”) are in no way the same. The first is antisemitism, the second is objective fact and the policy of the Israeli state. To conflate the two is antisemitic, and also plays into Israeli propaganda that they are the representatives of Jews and Judaism.

Anyone who says “it’s complicated” is a genocide denier.

This thread is an embarrassment, I can’t believe there are people on Hexbear handwringing about violence against settler civilians. Did Native Americans never kill colonizer civilians? Are we going to start condemning the Haitian revolutionaries?

Israelis are constantly pretending they live in fear of being killed by Palestinian “terrorists”. Have they considered fucking leaving, which is an option the Palestinians don’t even have? No Israeli children would be in a position to be killed in the fighting or held hostage if their colonizer parents hadn’t put them there. These children are victims, but they’re victims of their colonizer parents and colonizer politicians.

You want to talk about children being held hostage to ensure compliance from adults? How many Palestinian children are there in the open air prison of Gaza, where 2/3 of the population are under 25 years old?

Yeah, it’s really a battle between neolibs and fascists, but ultimately I think the neolibs did far, far more damage (mainly because fascism eats itself alive and collapses much faster).