cross-posted from: https://biglemmowski.win/post/6224801

Michael Gloss, 21, was the son of CIA Deputy Director for Digital Innovation Julianne Gallina Gloss, and Iraq war veteran Larry Gloss.

Before arriving in Russia on August 13, 2023, Gloss was travelling around Europe. On his Vkontakte page bio, he wrote: “I ran away from home (and) traveled the world. I hate fascism.”

On April 4, 2024, he was killed, likely during a Russian offensive near Bakhmut, however, his burial in the U.S. did not take place until December 2024, Important Stories reports.

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      From the end of the article

      But despite supporting Ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale war, he was at a military recruitment center in Moscow, alongside other foreign nationals, on September 5, 2023, Russian border data shows.

      His social media posts show a distinct change in his views — one identified by Important Stories as belonging to Gloss suggest he believed in conspiracy theories involving Ukraine, and claimed NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party.

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        Either extremely impressionable, or maybe had his account handed over after he was pulled off the street and conscripted into a ruzzian meat wave.

        Either way, tragic waste of human life, being anywhere near involvement with their military.

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          Is that really so far off though?

          Yes you fucking cretin

          Notice that the one US president who actually has been building concentration camps and operating the Gestapo, shares with you a strong dislike of NATO.

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          If by evolution you mean “created to oppose” then yes. The question is what global organization will be created to fight against the evil of Trump and Putin.

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            Not really. NATO had many ex top Nazis at the helm directly after world war 2. The line between Nazi Germany and NATO is very straight.

            One of the most notable being top Nazi Adolf Heusinger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger

            Where the other guy went wrong is thinking that anyone opposing NATO in this case Russia suddenly becomes objectively good.

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                Who vehemetly denied being involved in that plot, was cleared by the German secret service for not being involved and was praised by Hitler for his autobiography?

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              Well just because there are nazis dudes in an organization does not make it nazi itself. After the collapse of fascism, a lot of fascists kept or acquired important roles, there were nazi cunts in french administration, and i dont think it made the administration automatically nazi.

              Since NATO was not iniated by nazis, nor by Germany, and has no nazi goals, i’m not sure if we can say that the line between Nazi Germany is very straight. It exists sure, but it’s probably not straight and certainly quite thin.

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                When the top of the organisation is a Nazi it sounds pretty Nazi to me.

                Combined with the NATO genocides in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Palestine and more, it is obvious NATO is led by “Ubermenschen.”

                But hey. The truth is very inconvenient.

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                  The truth is complicated not inconvenient. Is NASA a Nazi organization? Are we not going to use rockets because it is Nazi tech?

                  What about NATO today is Nazi. What was Nazi about NATO then?

                  You’re being obtuse and intentionally a fool. Knock it off.

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                    NASA hiring a ton of Nazis is not the win you think it is. Yes the West did not abolish Nazism. Churchill was a massive anti semite and white surpremacist. They mostly fought the Nazis because Hitler was about to steal their power. Not because of conflicting ideals.

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              I mean look nazis are bad but if we look at De-Ba’athification in Iraq things didn’t turn out so well.

              As far as I can tell is Heusinger guy was a career military officer, for the Imperial German army, the Weimer rupublic, Nazi Germany, and Post war Germany. So sure we can he should have defected from the Nazis but he wasn’t exactly a brown shirt either.

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                Heusinger was a top ranking Nazi which served in the atrocities and genocide against the Soviet Union.

                Calling this a “career military officer” is extreme Nazi glorification.

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                  The only one glorifying Nazis here is you. Take your Ruzzian paycheck and go home. Or is it that you’re paid by the post? Seems likely since you’ve not said anything different from:

                  “One time a Nazi existed which means that NATO and everything I’m paid not to like is currently a Nazi organization”.

                  When asked to explain that absolutely insane mental leap you just continue to say the same thing in different ways over and over. You are not a serious person.

                  Explain how NATO, NASA and everything else in the world that a single Nazi at one time a hundred years ago had something to do with, is currently bad and fascist, or crawl back into your hole.

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                    When you are getting called out for calling literal Nazism a “military career” you scream Russia and hope nobody notices?

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      It seems they convinced him that NATO and Ukraine are Nazis. Typical stuff from the play book. Dude just went all in on it. Pretty sad, he had his whole life ahead of him.

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          I remember times when I rebelled against my parents and did some pretty stupid shit, but kids today are on a different level.

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            Not sure about your upbringing, but I know I also didn’t really have the means to do anything truly stupid.

            Where’d this kid get the resources to go globe-trotting to a freaking war-embattled fascist state? That’s what blows my mind. Someone responsible for him was complicit in his self destruction.

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      Some people consider Ukraine to be a neonazi stronghold. So fighting Ukraine would be fighting against fascist nazis. That logic is prevalent with conspiracy nuts/scammers like Alex Jones.

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        The way these “theories” are thrown around these days with such an air of legitimacy is truly terrifying.

        This absolute miracle of communication at our fingertips, and it’s 99% noise, dangerous noise, vying to worm its way into whatever cracks in the human psyche it can find. At the least harmful, it’s persuading ads. And on the other end, people are flying out to go join ISIS or Ruzzia because they got algorithmed into a Facebook group or absorbed enough TikTok radiation.

        I miss when the internet “wasn’t real life.”

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          Tankies don’t have their own beliefs. They’re just mouthpieces for the Russian and Chinese government.

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      not that i would die for fucking russia but its the lesser evil vs the us. i suppose its easier to see that if you are closely related to cia people.

      the us has done and and even admitted to stuff far worse than most out there. its not the biggest military budget in the world (of all time?) for nothing.

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          ukraine is an US proxy to shoot at russia. the us is provoking and paying for the war to weaken russia.

          a win for russia is a loss for the west, which because of imperialism and colonialism, is a win for everyone else.

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            But of course! Those poor Russians just had to do a whole invasion, entirely out of self defense!

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              i didnt really put it that way, but kind of.

              the cia has been talking openly about provoking it since the mid to late 2000s. putin has also been saying he would take nato expansion as a sign of aggression. this war was completely avoidable.

              this talk of “evul russia” or “poor ukraine” is just propaganda to manufacture consent for spending billions on an useless war instead of addressing poverty or something useful, and people should stop believing it. this war is not about morals or being “good” or “evil” at all.

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      Just look at ML or Hexbear right here on Lemmy. The tankies love Putin and Xi. Horseshoe is a law not a theory.

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          I keep seeing this image repeated on Lemmy but I don’t buy it. It’s just an attempt for leftists to distance themselves from tankies. If you’re left but not a tankie, you are just center-left. Only tankies are far-left

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            Today’s tankies (appropriately to the name) are pro authoritarianism and it just “happens” that’s what far right Russia is. Even China isn’t truly a communism, but they are both authoritarian.

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              You can be both pro-authoritarian and far left. In fact, that’s kind of the definition of far left.

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                Yes pro authoritarian far left that’s basically communism.

                China is hardly a communism right now, Russia definitively isn’t a communism. So the current tankies that are worshipping Russia and China aren’t really for communism, they are only pro authoritarianism.

                They are actually more aligned with MAGA than anything, the only difference is just that they don’t have problem openly supporting Russia and China.

                Since this is world community there are people in other countries, and might be different definition what’s far left. But in US what authoritarians are labeling as far left are people who still want liberal democracy, but with social programs (what you have in EU, especially in Scandinavian countries). The “furthest left” politicians, Bernie Sanders is basically advocating for medical care for all Americans and taxes on rich. Basically so the government works for the people but against them.

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                  Yes pro authoritarian far left that’s basically communism.

                  I’d say it’s the stages before communism. When the authoritarians have to take all the power to give it to the people. The problem is that is impossible. Once the authoritians have taken all the power, they never give it up. So real communism doesn’t exist and can never exist because it always requires some type of revolution and central organization after the effects of the revolution. And that central power will never give up that power.

                  So just because they haven’t reached “true” communism doesn’t mean they are all of a sudden now on the “far-right”.

                  Today’s tankies are still considered far-left.

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                    That’s because of corruption. As of now communism to be implemented requires authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is the main reason why communism is bad.

                    Currently both, tankies as well as far right don’t really care about socialism (if tankies cared about socialism they wouldn’t support China or Russia). All they are supporting is authoritarianism.

                    What far right labels as far left (in US at least) are people who support liberal democracy with protections and safety nets for working class. The “most radical” Bernie Sanders is exactly for that.

                    There might be actual communist parties in Europe, they hardly have any support.

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              They aren’t on the political spectrum at all because they don’t believe in any kind of governance.

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            Tankies have almost nothing in common with the far left outisde teenagers who haven’t worked out the fundemental flaws with communism yet. Beyond those teenagers most left wing folk consider tankies to be pretty right wing.

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              Tankies have almost nothing in common with the far left

              This doesn’t make sense because tankies are the far left. What you’re thinking of as far left is actually center left.

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                But tankies almost universally want authoritarianism and dictatorships? those are far right positions. The left tends to want some flavour of socialist democracy. Tankies are left like China is communist.

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        Putin and Xi claim to oppose fascism the exact same way that Trump does while the actions of all three directly contradict their lip service. This is the biggest crock of shit I’m probably going to read on the internet today.