Trump said he could stop war in 24 hours, but team appears daunted by negotiation with ‘a lot of detail attached to it’

Diplomacy, it turns out, is hard. The 24 hours that Donald Trump promised he would need to halt the fighting in Ukraine have long since passed. And the administration has done little of the hard diplomatic work that was required to secure landmark deals like the Dayton agreement or the Camp David accords in the past.

Rubio clearly wished to vent frustration on Friday, a day after Trump had said in the White House that he was waiting for Russia’s response to the proposed framework for a peace deal and expected to have it this week. The White House appears to be increasingly frustrated with Moscow, something that both European and Ukrainian officials had hoped would take place.

There was always an expertise gap in the difficult negotiations over a ceasefire to the Russian war in Ukraine. Now the administration appears to have a patience gap and has signaled it is ready to walk away. Ukraine does not have that option.

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    They never wanted peace. Trump has never tried to get a real peace deal. Putin wants Trump to deliver Ukraine’s capitulation, and Trump, so far, has failed to come up with the goods, because Zelenskyy is 100 times the man Trump is, and refuses to grovel.

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    Waiting for a Trump quote along the lines of “negotiating peace between 2 countries is complicated… Who knew?” like the healthcare line from his last term.

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    “Now, I have to tell you, it’s an unbelievably complex subject,” he added. “Nobody knew health care peace deals could be so complicated.”

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    Trump was never a master negotiator, he always was a bully. He gets what he wants through intimidation. His prior diplomatic victories were gained partly based on the work of career diplomats who paved agreements that not even he could fuck up. But all the competent people have been DOGEd away, so now it’s just Trump and Elon and a bunch of sycophants who think diplomacy is throwing tantrums when the other side says “no”.

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      The silver lining is that HitlerPig has has given the Gift of Competence to his enemies.

      We haven’t heard much at all from past presidents, past Generals, past Cabinet members, etc., but I have a very hard time believing that these guys are just sitting on their verandas, sipping drinks, and ignoring the gleeful destruction of the nation that they had dedicated their entire lives to.

      More likely, they are in touch with each other, and are crafting some sort of plan/ response for when the quickly growing protests inevitably turn violent.

      Fascist governments never end quietly, its always violent. None of those arrogant MAGA Nazi fucks are going to die in their sleep in their old age. Most are going to die from a bullet or a rope - if they’re lucky.

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      It’s true. Every action taken by him and his underlings have one thing in common… They’re all 8 year olds who don’t understand the word, ‘No’. A group of the most stunted individuals in the country who truly believe that if they just raise their voice enough, people will agree.

      What’s sad is how many think this is wisdom. I want off this rock.

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    Bro really thought, after everyone else involved since 2014, he could just get in the room and say:

    • "Hey, c’mon. Let’s just stop this. Killing is bad, peace is good. I also want Ukraine to give up all the taken territory and I want 50% of Ukraine’s minerals in perpetuity, in exchange for nothing.

    • “And then everyone clapped, and the war ended for good, just like that, with everyone happy. Zelensky hugged Putin, both kissed Trump’s ring, and they shared some champagne overlooking the beautiful US Gaza Trumpland sunset, surrounded by AI bearded ladies”.

    • The End.

    Children raised on silver spoons often expect others to simply obey them, no questions asked.

    Slow clap. He really managed to come in when Ukraine had the upper hand with allied help, weakened their efforts by humiliating, extorting and cutting off aid and intel, as well as making them lose their bargaining chip in Kursk, and now they just say “this is too much after all” and bail out.

    Just to show up again at the end to claim victory after Europe and any other allies have seen this through. Mark my words.

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    “lack of patience” is an extremely charitable take. They are lazy. They seek power for its privileges, not its responsibilities.

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    Of course there are fucking details attached! Ukraine is quite attached to its territory and survival, Greenland is attached to Denmark, healthcare and social security, Canada and Mexico are attached to the idea of not having an asshole neighbour. It’s like every situation has reasons under it, what a surprise!

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      Trump is a little boy who starts screaming when something doesnt go his way until everyone agrees just to make him shut up or he gets smacked by his dad. He thinks everyone is like that, even whole countries. He thinks Ukraine and Russia just had some cute little tantrums and hes the dad that smacks then into submission. Surprisingly thats not how it works.

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      The weirdest thing is that people expected a buch of real-estate guys to somehow be good at international diplomacy.

      I don’t expect my butcher to also be good at cutting my hair!

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        I still get triggered when I hear people say they figured he would be better for the economy “since he was a business man.” Way too many people buy into the “rich therefore smart” myth.

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          Yes and even if he would be smart, I know really smart people that would probably suck at running the economy. Having 0 experience doing something makes you a n00b by default.

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    There’s nothing in it for Trump. If he can’t personally profit, it’s a low-priority issue not worth spending effort on.

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    Is anyone surprised?

    I’m at the point where serious media should just put all the lies and empty promises of this regime in a single section, titled ‘From Trump world’. And use the serious sections to dissect the lies and analyse (IN SIMPLE TERMS) what’s really going on.

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    Blast him as a failure that can’t even negotiate a single peace agreement. His ego will love that; it’ll definitely just allow him to move on and not stew over it for years to come.

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    Amazing that they are frustrated with Moscow - they opened the negotiations with Putins maximum demands…