GOP: Gentlemen Gentlemen this is a mental health issue which is we can’t ban 2A rights.
Everyone: Ok then give us better mental health?
GOP: Nope that’s commie talk. Just get Jesus. (Also shocked why people hate them)
I support the 2nd. I also support single payer healthcare, including dental coverage and expanded mental Healthcare services. Then again, I dont support Republicans.
If dems got off the 2A stuff they would get more voters ::cough cough:: Texas. I know people that are like yeah abortion is not a deal breaker for me but guns are. Mostly people who are too old to have kids anyway. I’m sure Mass shooting will go down once we have social nets to get people the help they need. Guns are like Cars. Fine when used by responsible adults baaaad otherwise. No one does these things because they have happy content lives.
If Dems focused on what actually would curb the violence, and dropped guns. They’d sweep the elections for decades.
Yeah this is how people get jaded or gets the conspiracy people out.
One problem was that the CDC was banned from studying the causes of gun violence from 1997 until 2018 due to the Dickey Amendment. We should have had big studies done to see just what the problems were (I’m sure it’s not just one) and what solutions might give the best results while infringing on people’s rights the least. Instead, even studying why gun violence was a problem was banned.
Thankfully, the Dickey Amendment was clarified (but not repealed) and gun violence research is allowed. Still, the studies aren’t allowed to call for gun control so they are still hobbled. So while new proposals based on studies can be made, gun control won’t be one of them even if it would be effective.
Our leadership has time and time again daid it’s mental health, they know it. No research is needed. Just expand mental Healthcare before the Joker movie becomes a reality.
No they where not, they weren’t ever banned from studying gun violence. They just weren’t allowed to use it as a way to sway public opinion…which is what the, at the time, acting leadership of the CDC wanted to do.
That’s downright fantasy talk. Voters minds have been so poisoned that they don’t give a shit about policy anymore. Republican politicians haven’t had an actual platform for at least a decade.
Their platform is only to stimie any progress and protect the rich. They may say lots of words but one need only look at the way they vote and yet are still consistently reelected.
They say they’ll fix things but never do even when they control both houses and the presidency. That should have been a republican free for all in 2016, but nothing of value happened for those two years. No immigration reform. No healthcare reform. No gun reform. Oh, but they did pass a tax reform bill and guess who that helped.
You said voters minds have been poisoned … … then went on a they they they rant proving your point. You get that, right?
My rant illustrated my point, yes, but I don’t think it’s the gotcha that you seem to think it is.
My point is that people are voting for politicians who are actively working against many of their constituents interests. And they’re tending to vote that way because they believe politicians’ words instead of observing their actions.
If you care to refute any of my points, feel free.
Watching beto shoot himself in the foot with the gun grabbing line should have been a bigger indicator. Theres plenty of room for pro 2a dems and dems with complex views on the issue. Gun ownership is rising in both parties, dems faster than republicans. Dems cant pass laws even if they win, they can’t afford to do stupid no chance moves that cost them seats.
Yesbabsolutely. They’d win the nation if they dropped the anti gun platform.
Same, well said
I support legal safe gun ownership, usage, and training. I believe the second amendment doesn’t apply anymore though. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…” This is not true anymore. It was written in a time where standing professional armies weren’t the norm by people who never expected the US to reach a state to have one.
Gun ownership should be protected by the 9th amendment to an extent though, as abortion and all of our other traditionally held rights are.
certainly looks like you would need to protect yourself against a soon-to-be dictatorship though
Very well could be true, which is part of why I don’t mind (and appreciate when done properly) gun ownership. That doesn’t change the fact that the wording of the second amendment is for something that isn’t true anymore. Again, your rights are (or should be at least) protected by the 9th, which is much more important but most people haven’t even heard of.
The basis of the 2nd is just not true anymore. It’s like saying “physical currency, being necessary for the purchase of items, the right to possess coins shall not be infringed.” It doesn’t take into account the changes that may occur. We don’t need militias to protect the nation anymore, since we have a professional army, and we don’t need physical currency anymore, because most people don’t use it now anyway.
Kinda funny actually, since we’re starting to see a movement that looks to effectively ban physical currency by making it a headache.
Same motivation: surveillance and control.
I’m really happy with the level headed reasoning in this post and the replies. Feels like I’m not alone in thinking “gun bans are stupid” and “can’t we address systemically WHY people feel the need to flame out in a blaze of violence, to reduce violence?”
Also BTW there’s a “Socialist Rifle Association”, and I might not agree with them on 100% everything obviously, I just think it’s cool and they seem alright.
You wanna fix American politics and with that nearly all other problems with it?
Stop the “winner takes all” system you have right now.
You’ll get a hundred political parties that have to compete with eachother. People will start voting more because now there are parties they can actually agree with and you get rid of this “always nearly 50/50” bullshit and one big party that blocks any proposal to actually improve the country
Want to stop the bank on assault rifles? Good luck stopping 20 parties
It’s called First Past The Post system.
CPG Grey has a series of fun videos explaining why we have shity politicians. https://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/
you ever notice that when a vote is 49-51 conservatives win whether they’re the 49 or the 51? Or how if it looks like they’re gonna lose the vote by a large enough margin to actually lose that they can just prevent a vote from happening at all? You ever wonder how the government dare call itself “representative” and then ignore something that 92% of us want?
The Constitution was designed to make change difficult because the founders feared a strong government. It’s unfortunately a design feature. It’s why it’s harder to actually address a problem instead of preserving the status quo.
The Republican party is a criminal and terrorist organization. At this point, this is literally political terrorism.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
WASHINGTON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - U.S. Senate Republicans moved to block a ban on assault-style weapons put forward by Democrats on Wednesday, as the United States recorded the highest number of mass shootings for the second year in a row.
The motion, put forward by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, would have reauthorized the Assault Weapons Ban, which first passed in 1994 and expired 10 years later.
The ban covers certain semi-automatic firearms and large capacity ammunition magazines, and ushered in a decrease of deaths from gun violence while it was in place.
“The American people are sick and tired of enduring one mass shooting after another,” Schumer said on Wednesday in a speech bringing the motion to the floor.
“Americans have a Constitutional right to own a firearm,” he said in a speech on the Senate floor, arguing that the bill was about “trying to label responsible gun owners as criminals.”
The most recent high-profile killing happened in Lewiston, Maine, where 18 people were shot by a U.S. Army reservist who committed suicide shortly after the shooting spree.
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Conservatives won’t stop standing in the way of progressive gun control until school shootings become a national attraction.
“Hey look kids! A school shooting! So glad we took this vacation to rural America!”
They won’t do it until one of their kids is a victim and suddenly it affects them personally. And even then, only one vote will change.
That’s their M.O. They don’t care when their policies are actively hurting other people so long as they aren’t affected.
So your stance is that only liberal kids get victimized?
All kids are victimized but most conservatives don’t care until it’s their kid specifically. Kind of like most political issues that people who have empathy care about.
So conservatives don’t care if the children of liberal parents are victims?
No they don’t. They immediately jump to “they must have deserved it.”
If you honestly believe that you are so full of hate your judgement is off.
Then maybe they should do something.
I didn’t say I believe that, it’s what conservatives believe.
Let me simplify this for you:
So conservatives don’t care if
thechildrenof liberal parentsare victims?That right there is my point. What are the deaths of a few children so long as there are zero restrictions placed on gun ownership? They won’t care until it affects them in a very personal way. The people with the capacity to change things are presently choosing not to. One has to wonder what would finally cause them to do something.
And I’m not even asking for anything crazy like the assault weapons ban that has been floated recently. We can’t even get the most reasonable legislation passed.
Our answer to “more gunmen” cannot be “more guns”. Or, rather, it can, but take a look around. How’s that working out for us?
Their stance is that conservatives are babies who took the miraculous and precious human ability to empathize with other beings and stunted it with with a bunch of half-assed morality stories about how the world is supposed to work that have nothing to do with reality.
Wow. Just wow. There was an attempt.
You’re seeing what you want to see my man, not what’s actually written. Try again.
For $150 a person, you can be taken through a school, wearing a bullet proof vest, during an active shooter drill!
Good, anti 2A laws should be struck down.
Repeal and replace 2a.
No
My feed:
All too often the sad but true story about the US of A.
Wow it’s almost like if you immerse yourself in nonsense and hyperbole then it will permeate every space you visit. Who would have thought?
It’s your feed and your preferences dude, false equivalency if I’ve ever seen one.
How many more people have to be killed while going about their daily lives?
Why is it that my guns are the problem here? I’m a law abiding citizen and yet people think taking my guns away will stop mass shootings?
I fail to see any logic here. I’m not going to give up MY freedoms when others can’t behave properly. You’ll never catch me shooting at innocent people, so why is it that all these politicians want to restrict MY guns?
We need more responsible citizens carrying firearms, so if whacko decides to shoot at Innocent people they get readily clapped and the mass shooting is over.
Trained armed police, security, citizens, etc. the thug, thief, ought to fear quick and equal or greater force.
I would even say that I am pro-store owners dropping looters and mass thieves. A few of those instances, where people get dropped, and maybe the idea of such theft won’t be so appealing anymore.
100% agree
And harden schools. We piss money away to Ukraine and Israel. Bail large corporations out left and right…
Mexico has had hardened schools since the 80s. Lots of guns, lots of criminals.
If ever you needed any indication that both political parties do not give a flying FUCK about the average citizen and children; it’s the fact that hardening schools “costs too much.”
Disgraceful.
Because it’s never your guns until it is.
I’m sure the owner of every firearm that’s been used in a mass killing would have brought that exact question if they had been asked.
All of those guns proceeded to become part of the problem, why should we ever just take your word that yours won’t?
This isn’t about your guns. It’s about guns.
This isn’t about you. It’s about us.
It’s such an absurd argument to equate guns with freedom - most free people live without them just fine.
Why is it that not allowing you to own certain types of guns is an infringement on your freedom, yet the ability to drink alcohol before 21, or buy a manpad, or inject heroin into your veins not an equal violation of your freedom?
An unlimited amount, because nothing will make the US change. Kids being massacred in school, nothing. Concert-goers being plowed down from a hotel window, nothing. Bowlers killed while enjoying a game, nothing.
Apparently no price is too high and Americans will seemingly prioritize their weapons over everything else.
Freedom is paid for in blood, check your history.
The US must be very free then with all the massacred school children to pay for it. Enjoy your freedom, chump.
Banning specific guns is pure theater, even if it passes. There’s zero real safety in it.
Good
