• obsidianfoxxy7870@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I very sadly don’t see it going anywhere because of how much money has been invested by big tech corporations such as Google, Amazon, and Microsoft.

    Reason they’re willing to put so much money into these corporations is because they’re being built on their cloud infrastructure, which the different AI companies pay for. So either way, they end up getting more money and becoming more influential, even if the AI hype eventually dies out.

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    OP here to clarify: With AI Hype Train I meant the fact that so many people are slapping AI onto anything just to make it sound cool like at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if a bidet company slapped AI into one of their bidets…

    I’m not saying AI is gonna go anywhere or doesn’t have legitimate uses but currently there is money in AI and everybody wants to get AI into their things to be cool & capitalize on the hype:

    Same thing with NFT’s and blockchains. The technology behind it has it’s legitimate uses but not everyone is slapping it onto things like a few years ago just to make fast bank.

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    AI, in some form, is here to stay, but the bubble of tech companies shoving it into everything will pop at some point. As for what that would look like, it would probably be like the dot-com bubble.

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    I do feel that, unlike Crypto, AI (or, to drop the buzzwords, LLMs and other machine-learning based language processors and parsers) will end up having a place in the world.

    As it is NOW, the AI hype train is definitely an investment bubble and it will definitely explode in a glorious fashion eventually. Taking a lot of people down with it.

    But unlike Crypto, AI does – It like does things, you know? Even if I personally feel like it’s mostly only good for a toy, all my attempts to use it for anything society would deem “valuable” were frustrated, but at least I can RP with it when my friends aren’t available. It is a thing that exists and can be used.

    Crypto was funny because it was literally useless. Just an incredibly wasteful techno-fetishistic speculative vehicle with precisely zero shame about being that.

    As for what’s next, I think Quantum Computing might be it. That is, assuming the Tech Industry even survives the bubble’s burst in its current form. Because everyone in the industry is putting all their eggs including theoretical eggs that haven’t even been laid, and in fact there’s not even a chicken in this AI hype train. And even with AI becoming part of people’s lives, as I predict it indeed will, when the bubble does burst it might end up hitting the reset button on who is truly in charge of things.

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    You’re assuming there will be a next time. When the AI bubble bursts, and it will, the whole economy will go down with it. AI companies are massively in debt and have a product that ranges from utter shit to kinda okay, and absolutely no sane way to monetize it. Everyone outside of tech, you know, the customers, fucking hate AI. It has stolen their work, jeopardized their livelihoods, wasted their resources and made the most insufferable asshats in history very wealthy.

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    I hate that we call any algorithm that gets information by looking at data “AI.” If people consider something like linear regression (a supervised model) to be “AI”, then “AI” isn’t going to pass. Hell, even neural networks are just a shit ton of addition and multiplications.

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    Reminds me of Blockchain

    According to new research from Deloitte, 74 percent of large companies (with sales over $500 million) see a “compelling business case” for blockchain technology.

    Indeed, from supply chain management and regulatory monitoring to recruiting and healthcare, organizations are applying blockchain to their business models to revolutionize how they track and verify transactions.

    It’s not a fake or fundamentally useless technology, but everyone who doesn’t understand it is rushing to figure out how they’re gonna claim to use it.

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    Oh, it’s gonna be so much worse. NFTs mostly just ruined sad crypto bros who were dumb enough to buy a picture of an ape. Companies are investing heavily in generative AI projects without establishing a proper use case or even its basic efficacy. ChatGPTs newest iterations are getting worse; no one has a solution to hallucinations; the energy costs are astronomical; the entire process relies on plagiarism and copyright infringement, and even if you get by all of that, consumers hate it. AI ads are met derision or revulsion, and AI customer service is universally despised.

    This isn’t like NFTs. It’s more like Facebook and VR. Sure, VR has its uses, but investing heavily in unnecessary and unwanted VR tools cost Facebook billions. The difference is that when this bubble bursts, instead of just hitting Facebook, this is going to hit every single tech company.

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        Everyone I know shuts off AI features on their software, yet they keep adding it to more and more software. It’s like the exact opposite of supply and demand.

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          My favorite was the security tools with their new AI data protection features. “We scan your data and put it in AI to keep it safe from AI!”

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      hit every single tech company.

      and institutional investors who steward pleb money… so its going hurt real.

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        Oh yeah, it’s gonna be massive. I don’t know if this will be as bad as the subprime mortgage crisis, but it’s gonna come soon, and with all the tariff instability, it’s gonna hit while the economy is already weak. It’s gonna suck.

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      You do realize nfts were capable of so much more than pictures but because that was the lowest effort use case that’s what the scammers started with, right?

      Of course not, you just like shitting on things other people designate as safe to shit on

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        10 hours ago

        I have never heard of one realistic and useful plan for NFTs. And I like to be contrarian whenever possible, since I’m kind of a smug prick. Hit me with 'em!

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          At the very basic level NFTs programatically enact contract law in a perfectly transparent way that cannot be faked

          The use cases for this aren’t normally apparent to the average consumer because of habit more than anything. I will give some use cases

          A limited access club can mint NFTs for membership, allowing the holders to personally trade their access in a transparent way and provides an encrypted method functionally equivalent to a One Time Pad (One of the most, if not the MOST secure encryption method in existence) so building access can be transferred instantly between rights holders, as well as providing a secure inherent messaging between members

          This can also be generalized for apartment access. Need a place to stay? You can purchase the tenant NFT from the current renter, and have access to the property securely within seconds

          I use these examples because they are human friendly but the BEST use of NFTs is programatic resource management for automated purchasing systems (which are going to be a FUCKING HUGE THING now that LLMs have got access to the big money), for example:

          Lets say a LLM is tasked with constantly sourcing the cheapest source of tin for industrial processes, and that all the tin producers set lots of raw material as NFTs. (In this case it isn’t an ideal use as the lots are not unique, but the underlying programatic contract execution doesn’t care and treats them as unique) so the LLM calculates shipping and price and automatically buys lots of NFTs to match the need, which ship out from a port halfway around the world that afternoon

          Now 2 days into the 12 day shipping time, the LLM notices that there is a sudden need for tin closer to the current ship location than the initial destination and contacts the LLM of the company that posted the tin need, and offers the lots of NFTs on the ship, the other LLM agrees and the contract is made, the ownership of those lots are altered, the shipping manifest of the cargo vessel is updated and the shipping route may or may not be altered based on the judgment of the LLM handling the cargo ship. All of this happens in a matter of seconds. Once the transaction is complete, the original LLM now goes and searches for another source of tin

          The biggest benefit of NFTs is reducing the friction of complex logistic changes allowing companies to find advantages that pass too quickly for humans to notice or make best use of in a way that can be legally as binding as any other signed contract in a court of law.

          There are other benefits and use cases, some silly and some abstract but NFTs are so much more than a link to an png on a file server somewhere but that’s ALL people like you will ever know them for because scammers ruined the name while real devs were still working on useful products.

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            A limited access club can mint NFTs for membership, allowing the holders to personally trade their access in a transparent way and provides an encrypted method functionally equivalent to a One Time Pad (One of the most, if not the MOST secure encryption method in existence) so building access can be transferred instantly between rights holders, as well as providing a secure inherent messaging between members

            You can do this with a database.

            This can also be generalized for apartment access. Need a place to stay? You can purchase the tenant NFT from the current renter, and have access to the property securely within seconds

            You can do this with a PIN code.

            Lets say a LLM is tasked with constantly sourcing the cheapest source of tin for industrial processes, and that all the tin producers set lots of raw material as NFTs. (In this case it isn’t an ideal use as the lots are not unique, but the underlying programatic contract execution doesn’t care and treats them as unique) so the LLM calculates shipping and price and automatically buys lots of NFTs to match the need, which ship out from a port halfway around the world that afternoon

            Now 2 days into the 12 day shipping time, the LLM notices that there is a sudden need for tin closer to the current ship location than the initial destination and contacts the LLM of the company that posted the tin need, and offers the lots of NFTs on the ship, the other LLM agrees and the contract is made, the ownership of those lots are altered, the shipping manifest of the cargo vessel is updated and the shipping route may or may not be altered based on the judgment of the LLM handling the cargo ship. All of this happens in a matter of seconds. Once the transaction is complete, the original LLM now goes and searches for another source of tin

            You can do this with databases.

            The biggest benefit of NFTs is reducing the friction of complex logistic changes allowing companies to find advantages that pass too quickly for humans to notice or make best use of in a way that can be legally as binding as any other signed contract in a court of law.

            In any situation where you might be tempted to call an NFT “legally binding”, it’s not the NFT that’s binding, it’s a contract, and the NFT is just a proxy for the contract. The NFT adds no value.

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            I’m just not sure what utility this has for a traveler. You don’t need NFTs to implement transferrable plane tickets, though this does seem to try to ensure that the airline(?) gets a cut of any sales between passengers. It’s the same pattern every time with NFTs, the only thing they seem to do is complicate matters while attempting to make a market out of thin air and take a cut of any related transactions.

            No major US airline allows passengers to transfer tickets, and I don’t think it’s because they lack the technology to do so and NFTs would fill the void. If they did do this and it was possible to buy and sell plane tickets on an open blockchain based market, couldn’t one just buy all of the tickets for popular flights and sell them at a markup?

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              No major US airline allows passengers to transfer tickets

              This is because US airlines are legally allowed to sell more seats than they have on a flight. Talk about overcomplication.

              couldn’t one just buy all of the tickets for popular flights and sell them at a markup?

              One could, but there would be a risk of not being able to sell them. Airlines would be taking a cut so they don’t mind, and they sell all their seats.

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              You know a guy who first saw the new fangled automobiles once said ‘That’s all well and good, but where do you attach the horse?’

              You don’t NEED the internet, or digital transactions, or credit cards, or any of the other dozens of technological advancements in wealth management that have come about since the 50s either but they exist and make everyone’s lives easier

              Tickets as NFTs are a great idea because it absolutely prevents overbooking. Did you ever even consider that? Can’t mint more NFTs than the plane has seats

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                interesting, around here we do it with numbered seats. if you give each seat a specific number turns out you can match that with numbered tickets. somehow airlines don’t make tickets with numbers that don’t match with any seats. insane tech.

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                You know a guy who first saw the new fangled automobiles once said ‘That’s all well and good, but where do you attach the horse?’

                Sure, but this is not a positive argument for your position. This does not mean that everything with doubters is, in fact, good and misunderstood.

                Tickets as NFTs are a great idea because it absolutely prevents overbooking. Did you ever even consider that? Can’t mint more NFTs than the plane has seats

                You can prevent overbooking without blockchain/NFTs. Airlines overbook because they want to, and presumably they would still want to do so if they adopted NFT tickets. There is nothing about using blockchain that would prevent this, they would just mint more NFTs than there are seats for each flight with the hope/expectation that a few ticket holders would not show up.

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                  Sure, but this is not a positive argument for your position.

                  So now you’re just going to discount the time I spent setting you up several use cases?

                  You can prevent overbooking without blockchain/NFTs. Airlines overbook because they want to,

                  And the reason for their overbooking, maximum profit, would be achieved seamlessly with a blockchain based ticketing system as there is no human input lag that causes double booking

                  You keep arguing that there are other ways of doing the things that the programatic nature of NFT contracts offer but NONE of them provide it all in one ridiculously transparent, unfalsifiable open source way that can be literally implemented on every platform

                  That’s why I used the car and the horse example, you are the one saying: “Yes we already have horses already, why do we need a car? And how would a horse even USE a car you silly billy?”

                  The really sad thing is I’m waiting for a moment of realization from you that it is blatantly clear you are incapable of achieving. Pretending to be open minded is intellectually dishonest

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            The most be something I don’t understand. Why would I buy flight tickets from a third party? Is there a market for this?

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              If you book through a travel agency or website, you are already buying 3rd party

              NFTs would prevent 3rd parties from overselling flights (this is a big problem actually and is borderline fraud)

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        Yeah, I heard about most of the supposed uses in the 10 paragraphs you wrote. Anyway, since none of those came to pass, and instead a bunch or people went bankrupt buying pictures of monkeys, I’d say the usefulness of NFTs has been determined.

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    Quantum computing, probably.

    Problem is, it has the potential to be actual reality. Tech bros need their products to be 99% blue-sky hype to get their financing, and they can’t risk some nerd going “well actually what you’re suggesting can’t be done any more efficiently on a quantum computer than you can do now”.

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    The difference is that tech bros are selling the promise of replacing expensive skilled labour, to business owners, who keep funding it because they’d rather pay one of their own than pay a living wage to a normal person.

    So the money keeps coming which let’s them keep working on it