• YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
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                Yeah. We are one of the most populous countries in the world. 300 million people. And most countries are shutting down migration.

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                  Just ignore peopleā€™s lives involving those that live near them, family, lack of money, lack of a destination that will take them long term, and every other thing beyond vehicles go vroom.

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                    thatā€™s not a good idea; you arenā€™t taking into account important parts of peopleā€™s lives that can affect their ability or inclination to travel.

                    you sound a bit DeSantis, wanting to ship people off without due consideration or even a rough plan in mind.

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          So, I left. Itā€™s not nearly as easy as you claim.

          First off, where? Where do they go?

          Secondly, how do they stay? You need a visa. Thatā€™s not easy, especially if you lack higher education.

          Thirdly, what about language?

          Fourthly, what about support network? All of your knowledge of how law, politics, social customs, and more is now irrelevant. Whom do you ask for help with things? How do you make sure you donā€™t get scammed when buying an apartment? Or that you take the right bus? Or that your company is handling taxes properly?

          Fifth, what about a job? Especially if you lack higher education, why would a company hire a foreigner? Unless they can pay you dirt, of course.

          So yeah, this ā€œjust leaveā€ thinking is absolute bullshit. Youā€™re not actually thinking through things. Itā€™s not that easy. Life improvement is not guaranteed.

          On an opposing note, I keep thinking I should go back. Why? Because shit isnā€™t gonna get better if all the people who want change are gone. My life is pretty fucking rad here, butā€¦ seeing this happen to the US without me doing anything about it makes me feel like Iā€™m abdicating my responsibilities as a citizen

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            you have pretty broad questions, so Iā€™m going to give you relatively broad answers, that i am happy to expand upon further.

            ā€œWhere?ā€

            wherever you want that fits your circumstances.

            ā€œhow do they stay?ā€

            Americans travel visa-free or visa-on-arrival to over 180 countries and can stay in those countries for weeks, months or years.

            ā€œYou need a visa. Thatā€™s not easyā€

            Itā€™s pretty easy. Americans usually donā€™t need a visa, and when they do, the process these days is usually

            1. online form for 5-15 minutes.

            2. Pay fee.

            3. visa is emailed to you.

            ā€œwhat about language?ā€

            I suggest learning the local language where youā€™re living for a variety of reasons.

            Thereā€™s an episode about that coming up!

            Actually, there are episodes about all of this coming up, haha.

            ā€œwhat about support network? Whom do you ask for helpā€¦?ā€

            There are huge expat and local support networks in every country that will answer every question youā€™ve asked, as well as embassies, consulates, and help lines.

            If youā€™re teaching ESL, youā€™ll have a cultural liaison from your school or less formal support staff.

            ā€œAll of your knowledge of how law, politics, social customs, and more is now irrelevantā€

            is that knowledge particularly relevant to your day to day life in your home country?

            Abroad, you may reflect upon that information being about as useful and temporary asā€¦paper cranes in a flood.

            ā€œFifth, what about a job?ā€

            If you have a remote job that pays $500 USD a month, you can live in most countries comfortably.

            If you are a native English speaker, you can teach English and make a lot more.

            Those are two of any number of work options.

            ā€œwhy would a company hire a foreigner?ā€

            For the same reasons all companies hire foreigners: that foreigner has a skill the company requires.

            ā€œthey can pay you dirtā€

            Starting pay for ESL in china is $2500 usd a month in china without a degree or tefl certificate. With both, itā€™s closer to $3500 a month.

            Cost of living in China is about $300-$600 usd a month depending on where you are.

            ā€œā€¦it makes me feel like Iā€™m abdicating my responsibilities as a citizenā€

            Participating in and paying into the US system that is exploiting entire generations and stripping their rights bears more social guilt than protesting against the system and withholding funding, but:

            nobody is making you take these available opportunities.

            My point is and has been that most Americans can escape the system and stop supporting it if they want to.

            Nobody is going to make anyone start traveling, learn things, make friends, and save money, but you can if you want to.

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          Obviously ā€œcanā€ is subjective.

          ā€œCanā€ people afford a plane ticket to somewhere? Probably.

          Would their quality of life in that destination be satisfactory? In most cases, no.

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            ā€œā€œcanā€ is subjective.ā€

            They can or cannot. Pretty clear-cut.

            'ā€œCanā€ people afford a plane ticket to somewhere? Probably."

            Yup.

            ā€œWould their quality of life in that destination be satisfactory?ā€

            also a strong yup. higher to much higher quality of life.

            Higher pay, fewer hours, better social support, better infrastructure, more opportunities.

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      I have no intention to leave because this is my home. These naive fascists think America is just the government and economy, but those have always been itā€™s worst features. Iā€™m gonna stay and Iā€™m gonna enjoy myself until the bullet passes through my brain. Iā€™m gonna make sure it stains their nicest carpets and finest dress, because I know they love seeming civil and clean.

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        nobody is going to make you leave, Iā€™m offering advice and encouragement for people who do want to leave or feel hopeless about their prospects.

        couple things here:

        ā€œIā€™m gonna stay and Iā€™m gonna enjoy myself until the bullet passes through my brain. Iā€™m gonna make sure it stains their nicest carpets and finest dress,ā€

        1. itā€™s much easier to die for a cause than to live for a cause.

        2. you can do a lot more damage alive than dead.

        3. your life is worth a lot more than inconveniencing somebodyā€™s carpet.

        as an example, if you travel for 11 months out of the year, you donā€™t have to pay earned income tax, and taking away revenue from the government is going to do a lot more harm than you being dead.

        especially because I donā€™t see any evidence for this:

        ā€œthey love seeming civil and clean.ā€

        I donā€™t think they like being clean so much as they donā€™t care about being dirty in public anymore.

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          Oh, but I do want them to be filthy and dirty in public. In fact, Iā€™m almost pleased that theyā€™re so unhinged nowadays, because itā€™s not an issue peace lovers can ignore anymore. They put off real resistance for too long.

          The main reason Iā€™m prepared to die isnā€™t because I donā€™t want to live. Iā€™m just planning on living as obnoxiously and proudly as possible. I want queer people to be an issue no one can ignore, and being visible in todayā€™s world is very very dangerous. I donā€™t want to die, but I will never live quietly. Iā€™m gonna dance on the carpets of the rich and nothing but lethal, blood staining violence will stop me.

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            "ā€¦filthy and dirty in public.ā€™

            they really have been for a while now.

            you got your wish.

            ā€œplanning on living as obnoxiously and proudly as possible.ā€

            go for it, my concern is that you wonā€™t achieve what you want this way.

            ā€œI want queer people to be an issue no one can ignore,ā€

            I think this is another goal youā€™ve already achieved, queer people in general are an issue nobody is ignoring already.

            on the good side, the prevalence of queer culture is higher than itā€™s ever been, even in conservative enclaves like the US.

            on the bad side, the most powerful people in a few countries like tge US are so afraid of glitter that theyā€™re trying to override the other two branches of government in a vain efforts to shove the fancypants genie back in the bottle.

            but thatā€™s the thing about genies and bottles, though.

            ā€œbeing visible in todayā€™s world is very very dangerousā€

            in some places, it is.

            in other places itā€™s totally normal and accepted to be as visibly queer as you like, as it has been forever because other cultures have never been binary.

            I support whatever course of action fulfills you and hope your activism achieves the further goals you are working toward, and also hope youā€™re aware that becoming a martyr is not the only or possibly most effective way you can be useful to your movement.