He pressed Pelosi on whether the United States has a red line for Israel and whether they “own” the Gaza operation as much as their ally.
“If you don’t like what Israel is doing, and the president has made it clear that some of what Israel is doing he doesn’t like, and you go on supplying them with hardware to do these things you own this operation every bit as much as they do, don’t you?” Sebastian asked the former House Speaker.
you know I wish people would stop pussyfooting around the issue and just come out and say it: the israeli government is committing a genocide in gaza. if they’re worried about being called antisemitic, don’t. they’re calling you that anyway and they throw that word around so much that the word has almost no shock value or meaning anymore.
Genocide would look like carpet bombing Gaza with MOABs
Darn, if they had only built the tunnels, fired the rockets and stored the ammunition away from population centers before taking all those hostages…
Finding does not really support the Israel is doing genocide claim, but it can be argued that they did commit war crimes. Genocide is much higher bar to clear, but intentionally doing war crimes is arguable. And you’re correct that criticism of Israel alone is not anti-semitic.
I think it is possible that Israel could be committing genocide and that you personally sound a lot like a run of the mill anti Semite.
Maybe both is true?
so you are equating the government of a secular nation to a religion, and that criticizing the actions of that government is the same as being against the existence of that religion.
see I can’t really get upset about this because people with pro jewish only israel agendas have thrown that word around so it means nothing. it’s about as effective as calling a democrat a socialist and communist.
No, I didn’t do that. If you want to have a conversation than you should address what I said.
no.
you tell me what in my post was antisemitic first, and then we will see if I choose to initiate a conversation.
Well its multifaceted.
Your starting position is that people aren’t in unanimous agreement with you because they are afraid Jews will call them antisemites.
You then go on to claim that Jews are already calling us all antisemites so we have no reason to not agree with you.
If not antisemitic, it is reductionist to the point of being mistaken for it, so what did it add to the dialog?
I didn’t say people who agree with me are afraid jews will call them antisemitic. if anything I said. people, people close to and or in power are not being as explicit as I am. and by the way, jews aren’t calling people antisemitic. people who support a pro israel only agenda are calling people antisemitic. that includes jewish people who are vocal about what israel is doing. that’s why that word has no power. and in no way did I suggest people do not have a reason to disagree with me, other than intentionally misreading my comment to try to draw out an argument.
if all of that is beyond you and it clearly is, having a discussion with you would be similar to wrestling with a pig in mud: you end up angry and muddy and. the pig just enjoys it. I choose to not engage.
So the people are in power agree with you, but won’t explicitly say so, because they are afraid of being called anti Semites by people who aren’t Jewish?
If you are unable to support the Palestinian people without the insinuations of conspiracy you have to consider that you may be further harming the Palestinian people, rather than aiding them.
Piss off hasbara troll
Ahh yes, because the trolls are the ones saying it is possible to defend Israel without antisemitism.
Do you hear how stupid you sound when you suggest nonsense like that?
What I see, is a bigoted fucking genocide enabler.
Basically, since the end of world war two, most genocides are done the same fucking way. You concentrate the population you consider undesirable into an area whose borders you can control, then you cut off food.
Depending on the paranoia of population, they will have two to three months of food stores, unless you strip it from them first.
Then it takes about a month for the first deaths from starvation to kick in, with children first.
Then the numbers of people dying go up fucking fast.
This is how genocides are done. Mainly because it is so effective and most people don’t recognize that the first steps are genocidal. And those first months are critical. You HAVE to keep the food out.
During that time, when everyone with even the first bit of knowledge of history were screaming that Israel was committing genocide, disgusting genocide enablers like you would pop up trying to muddy the waters accusing people trying to warn the world that genocide was happening of antisemitism.
You know what the odds are of something happening when it already happened are? 100%
I’m not guessing at your motivations (I know you like to accuse anyone implying motivations of being antisemitic.)
I’m stating what your actions were. What the consequences are.
You enabled genocide.
The first children died last week. Even if food were to flood Gaza now, the children will be permanently handicapped. You don’t starve this much without there being permenent damage.
You helped buy Israel the month it needed once the food stores ran out. Maybe just a little, but still a little.
If ‘Never Again’ meant anything to you more than ‘Never Again to Jewish people’, then you have individually helped it fail.
Are you being paid to harass people and make these accusations against them, or are you truly as mentally unhinged as you are currently choosing to make yourself look?
This is what rage at the people that helped enable genocide looks like.
It’s what holding the people that helped enable it accountable looks like.
As the numbers go up exponentially, as they will now that the deaths from starvation kick in, I will remind you that you called the people trying to raise the alarm antisemitic for doing so in the critical months that something could have been done.
You helped enable this. I will continue to remind you of the dead.
So instead of doing anything to help the Palestinian people, you have decided to stalk and harass random people you previously failed to convince and blame them for everything?
You aren’t the good guy you keep pretending to be.
You make a lot of assumptions about what I do or don’t do.
You can’t convince someone that has decided to believe the absurd enough to justify genocide of anything.
Tell me, have you begun to admit that it is yet? Or does the nationalism keep that from happening?
What do you think genocide looks like?
You aren’t the good guy you think you are, unless part of your world view is that genocide enablers can be good guys.
What part of their post was antisemitic, specifically?
I see trolls like you calling anything and everything antisemitic just because it doesn’t full throated support Israel, but never what or why. No clue why…