Aug. 30, 2015
President Obama announced on Sunday that Mount McKinley was being renamed Denali, using his executive power to restore an Alaska Native name with deep cultural significance to the tallest mountain in North America.
You mean like that ?
Edit: I’m in no way endorsing what trump did, which I think was a petty vindictive move on his part, I’m just pointing out that he’s far from the first to have used an executive order to rename geographical features. If anyone thinks I’m being pro trump, just take a look at my post history.
So the main difference here is Denali is fully contained within the borders of the country choosing to name it.
The Gulf of Mexico is International Waters, and the US doesn’t even have the majority of shoreline… Which is why we have an international standards body to name international waters, so people don’t get confused.
For example, an airline flight from Tampa to Cancun reports its flying over the Gulf of America to a Mexican air traffic controller… The controller has no idea what the hell he is talking about, because THE ENTIRE GLOBE calls it “Gulf of Mexico”.
Is the country between France and Poland called, Deutschland, Allemagne, or Germany?
It’s completely outside of the borders of the US but the name used for that country is completely different from then name people from that area would call it.
Which name is right? Which name should be displayed on the map? It depends on a few things.
That’s taking the name back to Koyukon. It’s not remotely equivalent to making a name up; like they’ve tried with the Gulf of Mexico. Poor equivalence to conflate the two.
Read what I said again. I’m equating the actions that both presidents took to effect the change of name, not the justification or reasoning behind it. People are getting upset that trump used an executive order. There are plenty of reasons to be upset at this, but that isn’t one.
Seriously? You think people are complaining about the means used as opposed to the action sanctioned… interesting. I’ve yet to hear anyone complain about the method - they all seem pissed about the change itself; not how it was achieved. Maybe you’re in different comms to the ones I’ve been browsing…
Why don’t you start by reading the comment that I replied to ?
Actually, I’ll paste it here. They said “Who the hell says the president can rename things via executive order? Surely that’s not iterated as a power of the office.”
… to which I replied to point out that other presidents have used the same power, and then went on to explain that the issue isn’t the use of an executive order, but rather the lack of any reasonable justification beyond petty vindictiveness.
If you want to be angry, be angry at trump, not random people on the internet
Angry? Not sure where you get that from but it ain’t no thing…
To finish quoting the op: “Someone at the Board on Geographic Names bent over faster than a dippy bird.”
I see that as a real concern that a previously well respected institution just blindly accepted a change that runs contrary to accepted local, national and international norms - thus surrendering any impartiality and no longer reporting the facts as they are on the ground.
Yeah, what the shit is that? Why can the president just make that call? Can he just rename Alabama to fucknutistan? Just because it’s accurate and historical?
Seems like overreach. It should be a board of representative people following standards. Not the whim of a false monarch
It turns out that it was nothing more than norms and decorum in politics that was holding your country together. When someone comes along and takes a dump on those unwritten rules, they find they can get away with a lot of stuff that nobody thought should be possible .
The first time he learned which civil servants stopped him. This time he’s firing then all before they can.
Oh wait. Was that supposed to be a “but Obama did it” gotcha? I’m bad at understanding social context online.
If it was, then all I can say is that it’s better to have standards by which we judge everyone fairly, instead of giving failures like trump a pass because he happens to be Republican this week.
It was an example of a president using executive power to rename a geographical feature, because the previous post was suggesting that such action is unheard of. It’s not. Having said that, when Obama did it, it was in response to about 35 years of petitions and requests, and not the actions of a weak minded manchild craving for attention
Yes, but:
Who the hell says the president can rename things via executive order? Surely that’s not iterated as a power of the office.
People toeing the line without question is how fascism works. Someone at the Board on Geographic Names bent over faster than a dippy bird.
Aug. 30, 2015 President Obama announced on Sunday that Mount McKinley was being renamed Denali, using his executive power to restore an Alaska Native name with deep cultural significance to the tallest mountain in North America.
You mean like that ?
Edit: I’m in no way endorsing what trump did, which I think was a petty vindictive move on his part, I’m just pointing out that he’s far from the first to have used an executive order to rename geographical features. If anyone thinks I’m being pro trump, just take a look at my post history.
Ok…
So the main difference here is Denali is fully contained within the borders of the country choosing to name it.
The Gulf of Mexico is International Waters, and the US doesn’t even have the majority of shoreline… Which is why we have an international standards body to name international waters, so people don’t get confused.
For example, an airline flight from Tampa to Cancun reports its flying over the Gulf of America to a Mexican air traffic controller… The controller has no idea what the hell he is talking about, because THE ENTIRE GLOBE calls it “Gulf of Mexico”.
Is the country between France and Poland called, Deutschland, Allemagne, or Germany?
It’s completely outside of the borders of the US but the name used for that country is completely different from then name people from that area would call it.
Which name is right? Which name should be displayed on the map? It depends on a few things.
“… to restore an Alaska Native name…”
That’s taking the name back to Koyukon. It’s not remotely equivalent to making a name up; like they’ve tried with the Gulf of Mexico. Poor equivalence to conflate the two.
Read what I said again. I’m equating the actions that both presidents took to effect the change of name, not the justification or reasoning behind it. People are getting upset that trump used an executive order. There are plenty of reasons to be upset at this, but that isn’t one.
Seriously? You think people are complaining about the means used as opposed to the action sanctioned… interesting. I’ve yet to hear anyone complain about the method - they all seem pissed about the change itself; not how it was achieved. Maybe you’re in different comms to the ones I’ve been browsing…
Why don’t you start by reading the comment that I replied to ?
Actually, I’ll paste it here. They said “Who the hell says the president can rename things via executive order? Surely that’s not iterated as a power of the office.”
… to which I replied to point out that other presidents have used the same power, and then went on to explain that the issue isn’t the use of an executive order, but rather the lack of any reasonable justification beyond petty vindictiveness.
If you want to be angry, be angry at trump, not random people on the internet
Angry? Not sure where you get that from but it ain’t no thing…
To finish quoting the op: “Someone at the Board on Geographic Names bent over faster than a dippy bird.”
I see that as a real concern that a previously well respected institution just blindly accepted a change that runs contrary to accepted local, national and international norms - thus surrendering any impartiality and no longer reporting the facts as they are on the ground.
Presumably you read this part differently to me.
I’m not gonna lose any sleep over that…
Yeah, what the shit is that? Why can the president just make that call? Can he just rename Alabama to fucknutistan? Just because it’s accurate and historical?
Seems like overreach. It should be a board of representative people following standards. Not the whim of a false monarch
It turns out that it was nothing more than norms and decorum in politics that was holding your country together. When someone comes along and takes a dump on those unwritten rules, they find they can get away with a lot of stuff that nobody thought should be possible .
The first time he learned which civil servants stopped him. This time he’s firing then all before they can.
Painfully true.
Oh wait. Was that supposed to be a “but Obama did it” gotcha? I’m bad at understanding social context online.
If it was, then all I can say is that it’s better to have standards by which we judge everyone fairly, instead of giving failures like trump a pass because he happens to be Republican this week.
It was an example of a president using executive power to rename a geographical feature, because the previous post was suggesting that such action is unheard of. It’s not. Having said that, when Obama did it, it was in response to about 35 years of petitions and requests, and not the actions of a weak minded manchild craving for attention