Genuine question, why should I keep agreeing to a compromise that every time I look back has run farther and farther to the right and away from what my values are. You can say protest and advocate for change but when that happened they where shamed arrested and expelled. The railway union was forced into an unfavorable contract by the democrats. At what point is it that this compromise is less a compromise and more a pacification, and me lending my support to another right wing extention? Where is the red line? are individuals not allowed to have positions where if you support them they will not suport you? or even if you get enough of them?
*Motions broadly at everything* Is this not enough to look past your ideals in a rigged system?
Look, I get it and I share your values. But come the fuck on. You guys got had by the One Issue being pushed around while everyone else told you not to and now the US lost everything and there’s lasting damage and many more people will end up suffering and dying for many other reasons. 20/20 vision now says Harris was the right choice all along. It’s frustrating.
I mean it is not one issue, I have multiple issues, I had one issue that was the straw that broke the cammels back. I needed enough cleared up, or my none starter cleared up first.
Second if we have the same values, why did you compromise on them, and how are you able to sleep with them so compromised.
Third we had more than 2 choices, I would not say of the multiple people running Harris was the best, HECK Harris was not the best potential Dem nominee, she flat out ended her be neighborly and the GOP is wierd because her C-Suite brother in law asked her to stop. She had a good start, and she chose the right VP but threw it away to appease the rich.
The ratchet effect is real and people should abandon both parties.
That being said there was 0% chance someone besides a D or R would win the 2024 election, so D was the objectively correct choice for anyone who isn’t rich.
That being said the protest voters didn’t actually impact the election in a meaningful way, and the insane pushback against them now is part of a propaganda campaign to keep the poors fighting.
I think I recognize your un from another almost identical thread. Thank you for your absolutely normal and level headed take. This post absolutely reeks of purposeful sowing of division.
I hear this stupid take a lot. Some typical “but we didn’t have any effect so we are innocent” BS. You have no idea how many common people “protest voters” misinformation campaign cause to throw their arms up and not vote. If that same group spent their efforts stirring up a drive to get out and vote for the only vote that could stop trump and his puppet masters from gaining devastating power in a critical election that would have toppled both maga and Elon, the sway would have been enormous. Instead they are all trump enablers and get the blame they deserve. (Also the “but the Democrats…blah blah” is a stupid argument, they ALSO get blame that doesn’t absolve the “protest vote” clowns of anything at all)
I only care and am arguing because it seems like it is the harshest button issue, and while I agree its meaningless and they likely did not swey the election too much, I want, in the cathartic emotional way for someone to either admit that, or admit that harris did a bad stratagy because she abandoned the people to the left of her to get people to the right, because it cannot be nither.
I mean I know for none voters this cited Gaza but I think as always Economy was over all number one. I also think it is worth pointing out that we where not doing great over bidens term, so lots of people would vote for anyone who just said it would be better even if it was not fleshed out because it was not good.
They were on the correct side of the value system, but could not bring themselves to agree to the tactical compromise.
Genuine question, why should I keep agreeing to a compromise that every time I look back has run farther and farther to the right and away from what my values are. You can say protest and advocate for change but when that happened they where shamed arrested and expelled. The railway union was forced into an unfavorable contract by the democrats. At what point is it that this compromise is less a compromise and more a pacification, and me lending my support to another right wing extention? Where is the red line? are individuals not allowed to have positions where if you support them they will not suport you? or even if you get enough of them?
Now go actually look at the outcome of the railway union thing.
*Motions broadly at everything* Is this not enough to look past your ideals in a rigged system?
Look, I get it and I share your values. But come the fuck on. You guys got had by the One Issue being pushed around while everyone else told you not to and now the US lost everything and there’s lasting damage and many more people will end up suffering and dying for many other reasons. 20/20 vision now says Harris was the right choice all along. It’s frustrating.
I mean it is not one issue, I have multiple issues, I had one issue that was the straw that broke the cammels back. I needed enough cleared up, or my none starter cleared up first.
Second if we have the same values, why did you compromise on them, and how are you able to sleep with them so compromised.
Third we had more than 2 choices, I would not say of the multiple people running Harris was the best, HECK Harris was not the best potential Dem nominee, she flat out ended her be neighborly and the GOP is wierd because her C-Suite brother in law asked her to stop. She had a good start, and she chose the right VP but threw it away to appease the rich.
The ratchet effect is real and people should abandon both parties.
That being said there was 0% chance someone besides a D or R would win the 2024 election, so D was the objectively correct choice for anyone who isn’t rich.
That being said the protest voters didn’t actually impact the election in a meaningful way, and the insane pushback against them now is part of a propaganda campaign to keep the poors fighting.
I think I recognize your un from another almost identical thread. Thank you for your absolutely normal and level headed take. This post absolutely reeks of purposeful sowing of division.
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I hear this stupid take a lot. Some typical “but we didn’t have any effect so we are innocent” BS. You have no idea how many common people “protest voters” misinformation campaign cause to throw their arms up and not vote. If that same group spent their efforts stirring up a drive to get out and vote for the only vote that could stop trump and his puppet masters from gaining devastating power in a critical election that would have toppled both maga and Elon, the sway would have been enormous. Instead they are all trump enablers and get the blame they deserve. (Also the “but the Democrats…blah blah” is a stupid argument, they ALSO get blame that doesn’t absolve the “protest vote” clowns of anything at all)
You being too dumb or egotistical to engage with observable reality is your own issue.
I only care and am arguing because it seems like it is the harshest button issue, and while I agree its meaningless and they likely did not swey the election too much, I want, in the cathartic emotional way for someone to either admit that, or admit that harris did a bad stratagy because she abandoned the people to the left of her to get people to the right, because it cannot be nither.
The economy has and always will be the number 1 issue.
Also for regular Americans “the economy” means their own financial situation.
I mean I know for none voters this cited Gaza but I think as always Economy was over all number one. I also think it is worth pointing out that we where not doing great over bidens term, so lots of people would vote for anyone who just said it would be better even if it was not fleshed out because it was not good.