Sometimes if someone is being kind of a Nazi we call them a Nazi. In reality National Socialism is really this huge body of dogmas and views. But if one of their views intersect we’ll say it.
Well Israel doesn’t just intersect with nazism on one issue, but several, and along the more critical areas. Some areas are more critical than others. Like you wouldn’t call someone Hitler for being a vegan. When we say that someone is Nazi we are highlighting a few key factors. You can’t just line up on things that don’t matter. It’s the things that matter.
Ethnically cleansing the area around you to create more living space for a country whose sole-purpose is to host exclusively the interests of a particular ethnic group. Pretty nazi.
Claiming that a group of people are less human to you and have access to fewer corporate rights than you, in this case because you disacknowledge the existence of their history. Pretty nazi. In this case corporate rights refers to the idea that groups of people can have rights and not just individuals. The concept that genocide is particularly wrong depends on that concept. I hope that’s a concept we accept. Because corporate rights are an element of human rights it is necessary that everyone has equal access if we are to treat everyone as equally human. But Israel claims they have more corporate rights than others and argues it from an ethnic position. Pretty nazi.
Now none of this is anti-semitic or more accurately anti-jewish. It was possible to be anti-nazi in the US during the 1940s and not hate German Americans. But if someone supported Nazi Germany in the 1940s they would pretty accurately be called a Nazi if they were German American or not.
I’m just saying if someone says “I think white people are pretty great and maybe better than others.” You might say that’s pretty nazi. My point is Israel and support for Israel is easily more nazi than that is because being pro-white is only one element of alignment, and was not unique to the nazis exclusively (kkk, even Winston Churchill). And importantly that person is not actively genociding people right now!
I’m not saying it’s not nazi. I’m saying it’s comparatively less so than either the state of Israel or support for it. By L’Hopital if it is not ridiculous to call one a nazi it is satisfied that it is not in any way ridiculous to openly call Israel Nazi.
Some will protest. They will say that due to history the comparison is unfair. Well the average American skinhead meth addict has a different history and life experience than a Bavarian who group up in a stable household and attended Hitler Youth camp (scouting). But they ended up at the same point and have common views. History doesn’t matter to the present. If you don’t want to be called a Nazi then don’t behave like a Nazi. A few areas of disalignment in history now past will not save you from that label if you behave and argue like a Nazi now.
So I’m saying it now. It is fair and legitimate to call Israel and its supporters Nazis. Just openly say it. If they complain just explain.
The kid learned well from pops.
Germany may have lost ww2, but Nazis won the war. The only nation to execute collaborators in substantial numbers was the USSR, every other country integrated the Nazis into positions of power.
The more history you read about the two world wars, the more it sounds like just a culmination of class struggles. The conflicts happened a lot because of what elite wealthy individuals and monarchs saw as workers and common people gaining power and democratic control. You can kind of argue this in WWI but it really becomes apparent in WWII … it wasn’t just a fight against fascism or one country or personality … it was a fight between maintaining the status quo of elite northern Europeans dominating over everything. Germany was clear about it, the French grudgingly accepted it, the British kinda-sorta-maybe supported it until it couldn’t anymore … then when it was all over, the fighting continued against any socialist minded country, region, group or individual after the war.
I’m in Canada and when you read the post war history even here, it was far easier to be a former fascist or former Nazi than it was to say you were a communist or socialist.
I’m no communist sympathizer and I do not want any communist style authoritarianism but it is obvious to me that much of the conflict and friction that happened in the 20th century centered around the wealthy west doing everything in its power to try to remove, degrade, delegitimize and discredit any remote possibility or suggestion about anything to do with socialist ideas or social democracy.
Shit, we have that “Memorial to the Victims of Communism” in Ottawa that got delayed because it had names of Waffen SS and Nazi collaborators on it. Department of heritage recommended removing 330 of the 553 names due to Nazi and fascist ties.
And today Putin is trying to invade a foreign country and commit genocide.
Russia is a Nazi country as well.
Yea I agree, but don’t equate the USSR and the modern Russian Federation. The only thing they have in common is the geography.
Someone reported this post for failing the “3d test”. If anyone can explain why (in a coherent way) Zionism is not comparable to Nazism, I would appreciate it.
The test has been criticized for vagueness, and has raised concerns of possible abuse among some people that it labels legitimate criticism of Israeli policies as antisemitic.
Up until last week, I think the argument could be made that unlike Zionism, no explicitly Nazi state exists. Furthermore, Zionism is explicitly not anti-jewish.
But after first lady musk’s performance the other day, we now know:
- The USA is a state run by Nazis
- Zionists (such as the ADL, Netanyahu et. Al.) don’t seem to care that the USA is run by Nazis. Therefore they must be anti-jewish, given the sizable Jewish population of the USA.
It seems to me that modern Nazism doesn’t actually mind Jews all that much, as long as they’re confined to their own ethnostate. And it seems that Zionists are okay with this.
So I guess at this point, I fail to see a difference between the two ideologies, flags aside.
NATO is also a Nazi organization, but I’m pretty confident it’s been that way from the start. Seems to be confirmed by the fact that Hitler’s former staff made up the first leadership of NATO.
Lots of European leaders seem more willing to openly be Nazis as well. Even the German Green Party politicians are openly supporting genocide.
I’m very concerned about Canada. They’ve been leaning farther right for a long time. The talk about replacing Trudeau with Freeland is mind blowing. She has multiple scandals linking her with Nazis and defending them.
Sources for any of that?
https://cpcml.ca/itn220328-tmld-art4/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/germany-israel-gaza-genocide-complicity-what-behind
https://fiia.fi/en/publication/the-rise-of-the-far-right-in-the-european-union
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/11/asmr-j11.html
https://breachmedia.ca/chrystia-freelands-denials-grandfather-complicit-nazi-genocide/
https://www.readthemaple.com/chrystia-freeland-is-a-fraud-alleges-chrystia-freeland/
The more the I learn about what the CIA and NATO did after World War Two in Europe to prevent communism, the worse it gets:
The stay-behind networks were a particular favorite of American intelligence chief Allen Dulles. An ally of the notorious Nazi war criminal Reinhard Gehlen and later a pivotal figure in the assassination of Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba, Dulles was a fervent anti-communist who’d decided in 1942 that the United States was “fighting the wrong enemy.”
Read The Brothers by Stephen Kinzer. We really are just living in a hell designed and built by the Dulles brothers.
Never heard of that book, thanks.
Thank you, I will have to look at these further. The last one doesn’t really seem all that damning, but it can help with context for sure.