Hi,

I’m a second-year PhD student in mathematics at a large university in the US. I really like the research group that I’ll be working with; my advisor is great. The issue is, we have strict requirements for quals, and I’m teetering right on the edge of being forced out of the program. I have two more attempts, but afterwards, that’s it. And I’m also really bad at the whole test-taking thing, so I don’t like my odds.

So, as a young person with an MS in mathematics, what exactly would the options be for me outside of academia? If I flunk out, I want to have some idea in mind for what I can do. My interests in math have always tended towards the more abstract (functional analysis and dynamical systems); it’s the quals in either PDEs or numerical analysis (the applied subjects) that are messing me up.

My PhD is stressful and anxiety-inducing, but at least it gives me purpose and direction in life. This time last year after I failed first year PDEs I wound up in a psychiatric ward. So, I want to know what possible options there are so that I don’t end up in the same situation. I have issues with a lot of the “standard” options for industry mathematicians though:

  • I utterly despise programming. I can not think of a more miserable, dreary existence than becoming a professional programmer, or working in the tech industry and having to code regularly. I know how to do it. I’m doing as much as I need to to study numerical analysis to get that qual over with so I can go on to things in math that I want to do; and in undergrad I double majored in math and CS. But I just can’t do it 8 hours a day every day for the rest of my life, and this is a lot of what people recommend.

  • I don’t want to work in one of those white-collar banking stock brokering environments. From undergrad I know the sorts of people that those places are filled with, and they are not really people that I’ve ever been able to get along with. Even teaching “math for business majors” my students made me feel uncomfortable at times. (Plus, there are people with specialized degrees in these fields who would be better for them; plus, again, those jobs seem to be coding and solving PDEs). In particular I’ve been personally fucked over by the insurance industry enough that I will never work there.

  • I could try to go into teaching I suppose. I’ve quite enjoyed it, and I get good reviews. But, aside from my TA duties here, I have no formal qualifications. My understanding is that most places require an advanced degree specific to teaching in order to be a teacher, and I don’t think I can put myself through more years of graduate school coursework just to go for my consolation-prize career.

  • I can’t easily fall back on my family for support. We are not on speaking terms.

It’s an absolute long-shot, but are there any careers that feel like the research part of grad school, but without the stuff that’s miserable about it (the coursework and bureaucracy)? Money is not an issue for me at all. If I can get over the hurdle of early-on coursework and quals, I will live a far more fulfilling life in grad school making 19k/year than I would as a wall-street tech CEO investor. But that’s far from a guarantee at this point, and I just don’t even know where to begin looking for any jobs at all I would want to do outside of academia.

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    Might also get you a job teaching quantum physics … which is 90% math. Used to know a physicist who worked for the aeronautics industry doing math to reduce turbulence.

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      Well, my perspective is shaped by computer science anyways. I think it’s a very broad field these days. I don’t exactly know what OP likes about maths, but not all of CS is about numerical analysis and programming… It’s certainly also not about quantum physics either, except for the few quantum computer people out there. The rest of us like numbers and determinism…

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      I don’t know quantum physics though. It involves a lot of math, but it also involves a lot of physics which I don’t know. It’s something that I’d like to learn at some point, but right now I just don’t have the available bandwidth to learn it - and I definitely can’t teach something I don’t know.

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        involves a lot of physics which I don’t know.

        Introductory QM is for undergrads, who also know next to nothing about QM and not that much about physics … and who are not usually familiar with all the probability stuff.

        I’d bet there are plenty of profs who’d like to unload that job and get back to their desks. Might be worth talking to some places about. There are also physicists who aren’t math wizzes … Einstein always had a mather assistant hanging around, even after General Relativity.

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          Introductory QM is for undergrads, who also know next to nothing about QM, and I’d bet there are plenty of profs who’d like to unload that job and get back to their desks

          Yes, so the job would be given to physics grad students. Which I do not know enough physics to apply to be.

          If I’m in a position where I’m being thrown out of my grad program with just a masters, I’m not then going to turn around and say, “well, time to do it all over again, this time with a field I’m less passionate about!”

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            You didn’t mention passion, you only mentioed jobs. OK, well, if you have passions you might get find that you don’t need a PhD to team up with any of those dozens of current hot topics … just passion and the talent and drive to create good new work. I have no doubt that story’s been repeated many times.

            Look up the Paul Erdos story.

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              Paul Erdos got his PhD in mathematics when he was 20 years old. If you wanted to name a famous academic without a PhD, you should have gone with Freeman Dyson.

              But yes, I need to not starve to death in case I need to leave my program. That’s why I mentioned jobs.