We’re fucked. It’s as simple as that. The world has fully entered into a somehow unprecedented age of corporatocracy and the future, at least the near future, is nothing but war and economic collapse. All of it, puppeteered by the richest of the rich, who have bought their way into power.
Beyond society as a whole, we all have our personal problems. We wouldn’t be here otherwise. I can’t speak for you, but I’m poor, dougly and mentally ill with no hope of ever finding love. My only purpose in society is to avoid the light and contribute to the Gross Domestic Product until I die alone and unloved. All I ever wanted was a girl to hug and a life to call my own, but I’ll never achieve that. What exactly is the incentive to not go postal?
Let’s be honest here: None of us are going rogue. We aren’t going to grab a gun and start killing the worst of the worst, the people who have destroyed our lives and or the lives of millions, the people who have benefitted from the creation of a soulless society, the people who ruined our lives. We are cowards. We can’t do it, I certainly know I can’t. It’s best not to kid ourselves here.
But you’ve thought about it, haven’t you? We all have, right? Of making an elaborate plan to slaughter the most despicable of individuals, making our escape with years of preperation, and fleeing to the Yukon, never to be caught? Am I the only one? Haven’t you thought this?
You first.
We are cowards.
Speak for yourself. I live in a country that tacitly despises, oppresses, enslaves, and murders people like me for shits and giggles if not for the raw labor potential that would’ve been stripped from them by Emancipation. I’m waiting til I have nothing to lose, and nothing to gain but a lifetime of slavery; 'cause I still have things to lose right now. Hoping I eventually clear the cost to renounce citizenship and one-way myself somewhere where the people living there aren’t literally incentivized to see me as an escaped slave; preparing for all other cases.
Here’s how I think about it lately.
Just because society is falling apart, that doesn’t mean my social life needs to suck.
Nothing ever ends really, not until the last hominid gasps her last breath (and even then evolution may try again with other uplift eligible species).
Someone is going to live through this great upheaval. I predict it will be those who can build and keep good real-life networks of family, friends and general acquaintances.
Let it all burn down. I will sit by the fire with those in whom I see the image of the beloved.
No I haven’t.
Stop being selfish and get some help.
It resonates a lot with my ongoing feelings. I couldn’t agree more with the majority of your statements.
Initially when I opened your thread among a bunch of other Lemmy tabs (because threads usually vanish whenever I refresh the feed, so I open every thread which called my attention as background tabs so I can access them later), I did read “going rogue” as something as “going away from society”, “leaving from society”. Then I read your thread and realized what you meant by “going rogue”.
Let me first digress on my initial idea: that of leaving society.
You see, back in the past, humans used to be hominids living among the woods, gathering and hunting for survival. Then, there was this groundbreaking discovery: the fire, either through a lightning strike which was witnessed by a hominid, or through a naive rubbing of stones above dry leaves. It was both a gift and a curse to the human kind.
Fire was a slippery slope, and what followed was just downhill. Fire allowed the hominids to look “fearsome” to other species. Fire allowed the hominids to roast their food and to boil water, which allowed cooked meal, which allowed their brains to better develop, which brought another curse: the damn sentience, the capability of better, deeper conceptualization and understanding of surrounding phenomena.
Humans couldn’t be “free” anymore. We became chained, they became captivated by their own minds. Humans became dangerous to themselves and to those who surrounded them. There’s this shadowy dark side of the cosmos within life (the chao ab ordo), it was awakened by the bright light of these flames, just like “the opposites attract each other”. Humans became their own enemies, not just due to a the prey-predator dynamics from the Nature, but the vacuum of predators being abhorred and filled by ourselves.
My comment is already long, for I shall interrupt my retrospective here and return to the present time. Humans aren’t even allowed to leave the cities and live among the woods again, gathering and hunting, we aren’t allowed to do that anymore! I mean, yeah, there are the indigenous people, but the modern society came to them and assimilated them with those “modernities” just like Agent Smith assimilating the whole Matrix. Indigenous people were colonized and forced to become part of society, just like anyone of us were forced as soon as we were born (I mean, we weren’t even aware of this thing, we were babies!!). We were unplugged from the raw Nature, we became artificialized, we became enslaved by both the society and by ourselves, by our pleasures, by our illusory will.
There’s no solution… I guess. No human ideology, no technology, no Jesus Christ, no alien, no Batman, no Joker, no Superman, no one will save us from ourselves. The dark side is an inherent human thing, one could blame the hominid Prometheus, but it’s actually just the chaos returning from the illusory order which emerged from the primordial chaos. It was always there since the beginning, within us. Let’s say hello to the Darkness, our old friend and enemy!
Sorry if I sounded “doomerist”. I’m actually “nihilist”, for each one of us has an abyss inside of us, and, silly me, I once dared to gaze into my own abyss… 🤷
No I haven’t. I also don’t think the past was as great as you describe, compared to the present.
When I was 3 we had martial law in Poland which was upheld for years. My parents struggled to buy land because they weren’t in the party, they could only buy my grandfathers old car which was breaking down ever second time we went anywhere.
Now that my son is 2 we got martial law in South Korea, but people fought for democracy and it was gone after 6 hours.
Because I only have one life I’m trying to get the best out of it. I switched the environment a couple of time in my life and had to start from scratch. But I never had to go to war, neither did my father, while before that every generation had a war in their country.
I’m not saying it’s good, but it’s good enough not to think about going rogue from society.
This is the interesting thing. A lot of us who feel depressed about society never actually had any real hardships. We never fought in wars, we never had martial law, never lived under oppressive governments. Yet a lot of us are just unhappy with society.
As an old man, it is …frustrating to see the ‘nothing happened before I was born’ crowd telling us the world is doomed.
It’s selfish, privileged position and a worrying sign of excess news consumption.
How is it selfish though? I think a lot of people just feel there is not much hope for society. I don’t see how that is selfish. But maybe you mean that there should be a sense of community and it’s selfish to not care about that?
Because many people are living in conditions significantly worse than OP describes ,with widespread poverty oppression and crime …. Today. And they are getting in with life, and having families, and supporting one another - not writing embittered murder fantasies on the internet.
Try telling your tale of woe to any one from Sudan, Haiti, Kurdistan, Afghanistan, Somali, Yemen, Palestine of course, and countless other war torn places, they’d just laugh.
Yep I know. I was in Peru for three weeks and I was amazed. People have nothing and live on dirt floors, yet are much happier then we are in the west.
I don’t know what’s wrong with us. Why can’t we just enjoy what we have? But I honestly look at my own life, I’m tired of working, and I want to just relax and not work anymore. And it does seem like a big problem to me, I can’t just quit and live on savings. And yet, in comparison, im being spoiled rotten to even have a job with a good income.
Why are we tired of working in the west? A lot of us are. Is it worse than our parents had it? I think so, to a degree. Some of our parents had ability to support families on a single slavery and buy houses. That’s a luxary today.
I think a lot of it is feelings of helplessness. You’re on a freight train that appears to be running straight at a cliff, you can’t stop it, you can’t even make it change course, and even with that looming in the distance, it feels increasingly hard to make the situation any better before you hit that wall. Even having proof that you can improve your circumstances can remove that feeling of helplessness, and that seems to be very much unavailable for people living their relatively comfortable, if stagnant, lives in much of the developed world. If your life isn’t where you want it to be and you don’t see a path to achieve that, it’s very hard to feel happy.
Yes because when someone else’s suffering is worse it means your suffering is invalid. By that nature no one should ever bring up their trials and tribulations because someone always has it worse.
I love how OP has mass shooting fantasies and I’m getting shit.
I think if I know I’m gonna die and I’ve still got my marbles I’m gonna run up a whole lot of credit card debt and maybe do some things that merit more jail time than I’m gonna live.
No, I have standards (and a mobility-related disability). Murder is for those without an ounce of creativity and no humanity.
Murder is for those without an ounce of creativity and no humanity.
Amerika was birthed out of egregious amounts of outright genocide, at least two of them, maybe more; fym? Unless we’re calling substantial swathes of Amerika fundamentally uncreative and fundamentally inhuman, this don’t pass the smell test
Well it was uncreative and inhumane. Why would I advocate genocide? And by extension, why are we using that as a justification for more death?
I mean, if you advocate for Amerikans, that’s exactly what you’re advocating for. By saying ‘murder is for those without an ounce of creativity or humanity’, you make it sound like this is an aberrant state for Amerikan settlers; when this is just how they are and have been for 200+ years. By trying to play the “this is not who we are/this is not what we do” card, you make it sound like ‘murderous avarice’ isn’t the natural state of the westerner. It’s exceptionalism; and I find that distasteful at its most polite.
Hello, it is I, your friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent. Why don’t we have a chat sometime? 🤗
I’ve gone rouge
Let’s be honest here: None of us are going rogue. We aren’t going to grab a gun and start killing the worst of the worst, the people who have destroyed our lives and or the lives of millions, the people who have benefitted from the creation of a soulless society, the people who ruined our lives. We are cowards. We can’t do it, I certainly know I can’t. It’s best not to kid ourselves here.
You want confirmation that everyone else is as weak to make yourself feel better. It’s typical neoliberal nonsense.
You’re pathetic. You want confirmation that everyone else is also to make yourself feel better. It’s typical neoliberal nonsense.
nah they’re right
noone’s minecrafting elon musk
stop trolling, hexbear radical
I’m going to wake up tomorrow and Elon Musk will still be alive
good night!
lumpen
No. I just want to live my life, surrounded by others that want to live theirs.
I cannot get away from those that cannot accept that. Putin, Kim, Desantis, and others make it impossible.
So, I put up with the dicks to keep the assholes away.
Putin, Kim, Desantis
??? there is no way you are impacted by all three of these people. at least two of them have likely never interacted with your life in any way
It’s hard to imagine that if you don’t live in rather small North Korea, which is heavily sanctioned, that Kim can somehow affect your life…
Who does not. Right now I feel ashamed that we are just letting AI feudalism happen!
