Edit: Changed title to be more accurate.

Also here is the summary from Wikipedia on what Post-scarcity means:

Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor needed, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely. Post-scarcity does not mean that scarcity has been eliminated for all goods and services but that all people can easily have their basic survival needs met along with some significant proportion of their desires for goods and services. Writers on the topic often emphasize that some commodities will remain scarce in a post-scarcity society.

  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    To be fair, “middle class” isn’t a real class, the closest is petite bourgeoisie. What’s thought of as the middle class doesn’t necessarily have the same class interests, as they vary in social relation to the Means of Production.

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      10 months ago

      When you’re discussing politics you have two choices. You can avoid highly specific terms and focus on real world problems, or you can parse out the meaning of every single word and win a meaningless argument.

      99% of the people in America know exactly what I mean when I say ‘middle class.’ Maybe 5% know what ‘petite bourgeoisie’ means. Probably less. You don’t win elections by arguing the difference between the Social Democrats and the socialists, you win them by talkign to people about how much a gallon of gas costs.

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        10 months ago

        Yes, but at the same time, this is just an argument for using terms incorrectly and perpetuating bourgeois terminology. The idea of a “Middle Class” was invented in order to give the Proletariat a realistic goal (in their eyes) to work towards, in order to divide the Proletariat against itself.

        If more people understand class dynamics, they will also understand more about their surroundings, and will also be able to better think for themselves, instead of you trying to do all of the thinking for them.

        Education is important.

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          10 months ago

          Education is important, but not all knowledge is equally important.

          I liken it to a carpenter who uses Imperial units instead of metric. You can argue that metric is more exact, but if the carpenter can do the work why ‘correct’ them?

          It’s not the job of the people to be better educated, it’s the job of the leaders to find a way to speak to them that they understand.

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            I disagree. It is the job of leaders to push for education, so that the people can be trusted to make correct decisions on their own. We currently have an issue with rising fascism at the hands of an under-educated working class, which is resulting in a violent backlash against academia and science, because education is being strategically cut by fascists.

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                    10 months ago

                    Education, and building up parallel structures like networks of Mutual Aid, and mass unionization. Increasing taxation helps, but without parallel structures and an increasingly educated populace taxes are just money spent to continue fueling the Military Industrial Complex. Taxing with no real direction doesn’t actually help, you need both cause and action.

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        10 months ago

        I think the argument is that creating these definitions ruins class solidarity. You are working class if you have to go to work every day to live period.

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          Or you can present people with actual plans written in terms they understand and are comfortable with.

          I used to work in public health. One of the first things I learned is that a patient needs to be approached on their own level. Some people can handle exact medical terms, and others blank out when they hear terms they don’t understand.

          If you have someone’s ear for five minutes, are you going to waste three of them trying to bring them up to your level, or do you change your terms to fit their point of view?

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            Depends on how much distortion is required to get the concept to their level. If the concept doesn’t map to there, then giving them the impression that they understand is misleading them.

            In those case middle class is just fine for petty bourgeoisie. But there’s always a distortion in swapping out terms for similar terms, and that needs to be paid attention to and recognized as a potential source of misunderstanding and trouble.

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              Read ‘The Autobiography of Malcolm X.’ Malcolm came from the streets and had been in prison. He could break down complex idea into terms the people could understand. Don’t assume that because someone lacks your vocabulary they are ignorant. Like I siad, it’s on the leader to reach out.

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          Well, there’s the concept of group consciousness, and that definitely depends on a good working set of definitions.

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      10 months ago

      Probably just autocorrect but it’s “Petty Bourgeoisie”, referring to those who own a shop or restaurant or something, often joining in the running of it. We call them small business owners in the US.