• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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      5 days ago

      At the height of the presidential election campaign, I got down voted for pointing out at Fetterman and Tulsi Gabbard as examples that there are Democrats who flip, because they rail on “vote blue no matter who”. After Trump won his second term, I don’t see those die-hard types anymore. They finally admit that the Democratic party is compromised through and through, and that only a progressive takeover of the party will solve the problems that arose.

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        The problem is people are trying to beat republicans by being just like them. Republicans stand or kill their own. That created Trump, dems want to do the samething. Normal people need to start running again and need support.

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          The days of trying to court both sides and moderates have long gone past. It now requires more radical changes. If Democrats indeed want to win again, they have to go further left. The Republicans have rightly deduced that people want drastic change so they are unafraid to go further right (probably also because of influence from the Tea Party movement). Democrats need to go more populist like the Republicans have.

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            If Democrats indeed want to win again, they have to go further left.

            The basic problem is that the Democratic Party isn’t at all inclined to go left. The people who run it and fund it want a centre-right party to be the only alternative to the far-right party. Left-wing politics doesn’t funnel the money to where they want it to be. So the best they can do is tease people with a vague promise of progressivism, in order to win votes, but with no real intention or commitnent to deliver on it.

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              Problem is, the nightmare scenario of a second Trump term has already arrived. I don’t know if there will be further elections, I assume there will be and act as such. If there are then guess what? The nightmare is already here, and the disaster is already actively destroying the country, so tax credits for starting a small business or whatever the fuck aren’t cutting it anymore. I want actual governmental reform.

              They can either go left or they can fuck right off. Absolutely nobody will buy the “most important election of our lifetimes” bullshit again after whatever happens next year.

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                There will continue to be elections. They just won’t be free and fair, particularly in states with Republican control.

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                Well let’s hope it wakes them up. I’m sure there are senior Democrats thinking, “Trump will make a mess and anger people, so we’ll just ride this out until we can get reelected then back to business as usual.” And “He won’t abolish/undermine elections -that’s just talk.” Some of them will never learn, because they deeply don’t want to.

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      He was though, in his presentation at least. I still remember him giving this interview in front of a Wawa off the freeway when he was first gaining national prominence - message that felt so strongly progressive yet could be so really absorbed by the broader population.

      Fetterman died from that stroke, this is John NOTOURman