Victorian Police Chief Commissioner Shane Patton has labelled the actions of a group of protesters who confronted police at the annual Midsumma Pride march as "abhorrent".
really can’t help feeling you’re being a bit deliberately obtuse here
The police uniform is an instantly identifiable marker of an institution that has been harming the community since forever. That “dark history” that’s referred to in the article? That’s not just “cops were beating up protestors” it’s “people were protesting because cops were murdering us with impunity”
The issue is with the institution - you’re acting like it’s the individuals. Individuals aren’t the uniform. The uniform is worn as part of a job. Demanding to march in that uniform is demanding to march as the institution. You gonna keep pretending you don’t see why there would be an issue with that?
Witches and Faggots, Dykes and Poofters is a really good documentary about the first pride in Sydney in 1978. There are first hand accounts of just why cops shouldn’t be at pride.
I think you are missing the point. If the institution has an official policy of being anti lgbt and it was systemic then I might have some sympathy for your argument, but it’s not at that level. And let’s face it if it was really that bad cops wouldn’t want march anyway.
Vicpol has over 20,000 employees and it is absolutely ridiculous to stop police marching outright because of the actions of a few.
And I stand by my point that it doesn’t justify attacking innocent individuals, not now, not ever, in uniform or otherwise. That’s called respecting individual rights and liberty. You don’t get to attack someone just because they put on a uniform. If you think that’s ok I can’t help you.
And as for history lots of bad things happened in history. The answer is not to bring it into the present with more toxic and hostile behavior from either side.
lots of bad things happened in history. The answer is not to bring it into the present with more toxic and hostile behavior
so uh, how come the queer community has to be the bigger guy here and not the cops?
'cos you keep going “oh sins of the father” “history history history” like it’s before anyone was born while I’m also talking about events that happened this decade.
I’ve already addressed your point. It’s immoral to punish one group of people for someone else’s actions.
It’s not official policy of police to target lgbt, police management aren’t condoning dodgy behavior and yes it’s not easy to stamp out problem police. It’s an ongoing process and always will be. Ergo it’s silly to ban police from the march and sickening to see attacks on innocent police for something someone else did. Black and white thinking and not seeing someone’s humanity is problematic.
Our justice system is based on punishment against individuals and not collectives. If you like the idea of collective punishment there are many other countries you can move to where that kind of thing is acceptable.
This is unfortunately another form of tribalism and us versus them mentality where there’s really no need for it. The entire police force are not out to get LGBT in this country.
It is entirely possible to recognize the small pockets of problem police whilst at the same time celebrating and supporting those police doing good work. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
No one is punishing a “group of people”. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly. People have issues with the institution.
Cops aren’t a fucking demographic no matter how hard you try and palestinian/hamas at it. It’s a job. And that job is renowned for encouraging, supporting and defending employees and behaviours that harm members of the community.
really can’t help feeling you’re being a bit deliberately obtuse here
The police uniform is an instantly identifiable marker of an institution that has been harming the community since forever. That “dark history” that’s referred to in the article? That’s not just “cops were beating up protestors” it’s “people were protesting because cops were murdering us with impunity”
The issue is with the institution - you’re acting like it’s the individuals. Individuals aren’t the uniform. The uniform is worn as part of a job. Demanding to march in that uniform is demanding to march as the institution. You gonna keep pretending you don’t see why there would be an issue with that?
Witches and Faggots, Dykes and Poofters is a really good documentary about the first pride in Sydney in 1978. There are first hand accounts of just why cops shouldn’t be at pride.
I think you are missing the point. If the institution has an official policy of being anti lgbt and it was systemic then I might have some sympathy for your argument, but it’s not at that level. And let’s face it if it was really that bad cops wouldn’t want march anyway.
Vicpol has over 20,000 employees and it is absolutely ridiculous to stop police marching outright because of the actions of a few.
And I stand by my point that it doesn’t justify attacking innocent individuals, not now, not ever, in uniform or otherwise. That’s called respecting individual rights and liberty. You don’t get to attack someone just because they put on a uniform. If you think that’s ok I can’t help you.
And as for history lots of bad things happened in history. The answer is not to bring it into the present with more toxic and hostile behavior from either side.
so uh, how come the queer community has to be the bigger guy here and not the cops?
'cos you keep going “oh sins of the father” “history history history” like it’s before anyone was born while I’m also talking about events that happened this decade.
I’ve already addressed your point. It’s immoral to punish one group of people for someone else’s actions.
It’s not official policy of police to target lgbt, police management aren’t condoning dodgy behavior and yes it’s not easy to stamp out problem police. It’s an ongoing process and always will be. Ergo it’s silly to ban police from the march and sickening to see attacks on innocent police for something someone else did. Black and white thinking and not seeing someone’s humanity is problematic.
Our justice system is based on punishment against individuals and not collectives. If you like the idea of collective punishment there are many other countries you can move to where that kind of thing is acceptable.
This is unfortunately another form of tribalism and us versus them mentality where there’s really no need for it. The entire police force are not out to get LGBT in this country.
It is entirely possible to recognize the small pockets of problem police whilst at the same time celebrating and supporting those police doing good work. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
You’re still not getting it.
No one is punishing a “group of people”. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly. People have issues with the institution.
Cops aren’t a fucking demographic no matter how hard you try and palestinian/hamas at it. It’s a job. And that job is renowned for encouraging, supporting and defending employees and behaviours that harm members of the community.
What do you think makes up an institution ? It’s a grouping of people…a collection of individuals. So it seems you’re not getting it.
So yes, it’s still punishing individuals for what other individuals within an institution does.
You seem to be supportive of these paint attacks. That’s worrying because one day it’s paint, what else is next? Physical violence?
…come back when you’re not trying to pull this bullshit.