Lmao first interracial kiss, champion of non-binary, trans, and gay people for the super obvious if you used two or more brain cells when watching metaphor characters sprinkled all over the seasons.
Sure, go ahead and say this hasn’t always been star trek.
This is like people who think Starship Trooper is a Gung-go military action thriller… I’d ask if you’d like to know more, but if you did, you wouldn’t be this dumb.
My dad is definitely the type to think Starship Trooper was a cool pro-military movie, but surprisingly he gets that it’s satire and mocking his former job.
However, he still upholds that the BUGS somehow managed to launch an attack against earth, somehow either aiming at a populated area or getting EXTREMELY lucky, from ACROSS THE GALAXY
I mean, zero issues with anyone creating any show to express any narratives. But sci Fi doesn’t NEED to address social issues to be interesting. It doesn’t need to be allegorical or anything else to do it’s job.
… We are talking about the TV show with an episode where they show it’s wrong for aliens with black and white skin to discriminate against the same aliens with white and black skin, right? Just making sure we and the “the story is bad because wokeness is at the forefront” comment are on the same page.
Paul Verhoeven is great at satire that goes over people’s heads. Same with Robocop, which is a hyper violent satire on American police militarization, privatization, corporate corruption and a complete lack of government oversight.
It drives me up the wall how easily people just ignore Verhoevens satire. The ST:E discord is filled with people who think it’s an advertisement for fascism.
Or those other people that think Heinlein had a great political philosophy.
I saw Starship Troopers shortly after it came out. Other than knowing his name and that he was a well known sci-fi author, I wasn’t familiar with Heinlein so I assumed he was a satirist. I picked up one of his other books and read half of it thinking I just wasn’t getting it before I suddenly realized “oh shit, this guy is being sincere.”
Nobody is doing that. Literally nobody is writing those scripts, you just view them as “woke” because suddenly the hero isn’t male, or white. Pretend die hard doesn’t exist, If you were to write die hard exactly as it’s on the script but McClain is a woman, is that woke?
Why is it that when a woman or person of color gets even close to a leading role, suddenly it’s called “woke”
Sorry, I am discussing with too many people simultaneously already and I got tired of it. Please just read my several other comments in this thread where all my points have been made. Apologies.
Trek has always been woke but the woke messages in classic Trek were embedded in good stories so it felt smart and natural. That is why fans of classic Trek embrace the way it is woke. Discovery on the other hand constantly puts the woke element in the center, points three spotlights on it and then paints it neon until there is no more room left for a good story and mature viewers feel treated like they were idiots. It is sad how younger fans seem to be unable to perceive this significant difference and accuse people who do of bigotry.
I don’t mind wokeness if the story is good, but to crash a story to champion wokeness is unacceptable to me.
Lmao first interracial kiss, champion of non-binary, trans, and gay people for the super obvious if you used two or more brain cells when watching metaphor characters sprinkled all over the seasons.
Sure, go ahead and say this hasn’t always been star trek.
This is like people who think Starship Trooper is a Gung-go military action thriller… I’d ask if you’d like to know more, but if you did, you wouldn’t be this dumb.
I’d argue that if your sci-fi isn’t pushing boundaries with that sorta stuff, it’s not doing its job.
PS: Buenos Aires was an inside job
THANK YOU!
My dad is definitely the type to think Starship Trooper was a cool pro-military movie, but surprisingly he gets that it’s satire and mocking his former job.
However, he still upholds that the BUGS somehow managed to launch an attack against earth, somehow either aiming at a populated area or getting EXTREMELY lucky, from ACROSS THE GALAXY
Nah it was 100% an inside job.
I mean, zero issues with anyone creating any show to express any narratives. But sci Fi doesn’t NEED to address social issues to be interesting. It doesn’t need to be allegorical or anything else to do it’s job.
That said much of the best sci Fi certainly does.
… We are talking about the TV show with an episode where they show it’s wrong for aliens with black and white skin to discriminate against the same aliens with white and black skin, right? Just making sure we and the “the story is bad because wokeness is at the forefront” comment are on the same page.
Paul Verhoeven is great at satire that goes over people’s heads. Same with Robocop, which is a hyper violent satire on American police militarization, privatization, corporate corruption and a complete lack of government oversight.
It drives me up the wall how easily people just ignore Verhoevens satire. The ST:E discord is filled with people who think it’s an advertisement for fascism. Or those other people that think Heinlein had a great political philosophy.
I saw Starship Troopers shortly after it came out. Other than knowing his name and that he was a well known sci-fi author, I wasn’t familiar with Heinlein so I assumed he was a satirist. I picked up one of his other books and read half of it thinking I just wasn’t getting it before I suddenly realized “oh shit, this guy is being sincere.”
Just to set the record straight, that was not the first interracial kiss on TV.
It wasn’t William Shatner’s first interracial kiss on TV either.
If the story is bad it’s because of bad writing.
I’m sure that you feel like you’re saying something very profound, but for most people that’s just gibberish.
I’m sorry… It must be hard living with condition like this.
Please provide an example of when this has happened so we can notify the appropriate parties and get them to ease up for you.
Nobody is doing that. Literally nobody is writing those scripts, you just view them as “woke” because suddenly the hero isn’t male, or white. Pretend die hard doesn’t exist, If you were to write die hard exactly as it’s on the script but McClain is a woman, is that woke?
Why is it that when a woman or person of color gets even close to a leading role, suddenly it’s called “woke”
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression” and gets labeled “woke.”
Have you spoken to a therapist about getting past your own insecurities?
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield wasn’t that bad.
The truth? He didn’t say anything at all.
He did but you obviously did not understand.
Please explain it to me, then.
Sorry, I am discussing with too many people simultaneously already and I got tired of it. Please just read my several other comments in this thread where all my points have been made. Apologies.
Oh, hey, great argument. You basically just said “True dat.” Try adding something substantive next time, or at least be funny.
Trek has always been woke but the woke messages in classic Trek were embedded in good stories so it felt smart and natural. That is why fans of classic Trek embrace the way it is woke. Discovery on the other hand constantly puts the woke element in the center, points three spotlights on it and then paints it neon until there is no more room left for a good story and mature viewers feel treated like they were idiots. It is sad how younger fans seem to be unable to perceive this significant difference and accuse people who do of bigotry.
Didn’t you get the memo? Star Trek is OK now, Star Wars is woke. This brought to you by people who do the Vulcan Salute wrong.
The Last Jedi is the only good Star Wars movie since the original. ESB ruined Star Wars by making it a dynastic story.